#04 - Midlife AF Podcast - Jay Fields
INTRO
In this episode of Midlife AF, I'm going to introduce you to one of my favourite people and probably the one of the most influential teachers that I've come across since I've been following this path to an alcohol free midlife. And Jay has had such a big influence on so many different parts of my life. But particularly on my relationship with my family and my relationship with myself. Jay is a somatic experiencing coach, she will tell you about herself in the episode. But she's extraordinary.
She taught me to understand why people-pleasing and over responsibility are so much part of our conditioning, particularly as women, how our emotional boundaries are so porous, we often don't know where we begin and other people. I find drinkers as highly sensitive people, and we're often on high alert, feeling and taking on other people's experiences, so much so that our own experiences don't matter anymore.
And this is often because we've had some kind of trauma or family had expectations that things happen in certain ways. And we often a hypersensitivity, the moods of family members kept us safe, along with what, you know, I genuinely believe is a stunting of our emotional development when we develop a way of escaping from and not processing our thoughts and feelings and emotions by using something synthetic like alcohol, to take us away from ourselves.
It's Jay who introduced me to parts work recognising that we we are all such precious darling little souls, trying our very best in life. And things that we do and the maladaptive behaviours that we have are there for a reason that they're trying to keep us safe and that their intentions are so good, even if their methods are genuinely no great long term strategies.
For a long time we're drinking or escaping our world. We haven't been present for ourselves. And so our little souls don't feel like they've somebody who had their back who was looking after them, like somebody who loved them, and this is why my approach, and what I found so helpful in Jayâs work and that is also aligned with This Naked Minds methodology is it's not about beating ourselves up. It's not about saying I'm weak or being ashamed or berating ourselves.
When we stumble, it's about understanding why we stumbled, acknowledging the very real feelings, worries and concerns that got us here. It's about building trust and comforting our precious selves and our stress, reassuring them that we're here now that we're not going to abandon them anymore.
And we have to build that trust with them again, because for a long time weâve not been there for our precious selves, we have to start developing into mature human beings who are able to take care of ourselves and you're able to differentiate between wanting to escape from ourselves and wanting to hold our metaphorical hands while we work things through.
Anyway, this is a brilliant episode, particularly for anyone who gets triggered and feels like their behaviour and people around them is causing them to drink. And even if you're not drinking, it's important stuff to learn for when the people around you, your partners, your friends, your children are pushing your buttons and you feel like you're going to explode, which is your nervous system being dysregulated so without further ado, I'll hand you over to Jay.
Emma
So Jay, and I have been just hoping that our technology was going to work. We've had a few issues when we were practising. So here we are. It's 9:30. Welcome. I've been so excited about this. Hi, Lou!
I've been so excited about this, because Jay has done so much for me. In the last, I don't know, year, maybe that we've been working together, on and off. And she has really transformed how I deal with the people around me and how to have my own back and not abandon myself. And I wanted to bring Jay on because this is part of this group of lives that we are holding in the lead up to the launch of the Aussie alcohol experiment. And I wanted to offer you guys some value by sharing with you some of my mentors and the people that have really influenced my life and influenced the way that I coach, which is why we have the amazing, Jay.
I met Jay through Jolene Park who's coming on tomorrow to talk, and Jay is all about. - and so is Jolene - we're working not just with the mind, but also with the body. And it's so important, I think, on this journey, and one of the missing pieces in so much of our alcohol work. And I know, Jay isn't specifically about alcohol work at all. But it's really, really helpful what she teaches and how she actually trained. And the reason that it is for so many of us who have been drinking since a very young age.
For me, it was since I was 12 or 13 years old, I really hadn't learned how to be in the world. So whenever I was uncomfortable, I was dysregulated, drinking was a solution for me. Or something else that was a coping mechanism. Because my young self hadn't learned how to be in the world, basically. And what Jay teaches is, how to get back to yourself, and how to not abandon yourself. And I think this is there's so much connection between the work that we do, because that concept of having your own back and not abandoning yourself is vital in living a really positive alcohol free life where you can engage with other people without, you know, making them bad or getting massively heightened when they're not doing what you think they should be doing when you think they should be doing it.
So that's an intro. She's awesome. She's done so many amazing things. And I'll just pass over for a moment to Jay, just to tell you a little bit about herself, and what she does. And then we can talk about what we were going to talk about today, which is the concept of keeping yourself regulated when those around you are not doing what you want them to do.
Jay
We're gonna talk about how to control other people. No. Exact opposite.
Well, thank you, Emma, I'm delighted to be this is the inaugural talk and the lead up right to the Aussie alcohol experiment? Yeah, I love this. So thank you for having me be here. And I so much prefer when someone else introduces me. You did a great job. I love hearing the way that you articulate what I do. Because I think it's helpful to have the person who's experienced say what it is.
So what I typically say is that I'm a coach, a somatic coach, and I help people leverage their body, their nervous system and their brain to have their own back and like who they are in the relationships that matter to them the most. So my work has really evolved over the years that, you know, we use this somatic piece and the nervous system regulation piece as the foundation and to talk about how do you show up for yourself, and how do you show up as yourself with other people?
And I'm really, really interested in using all of this information to get us to the part about talking about relationships and you mentioned that alcohol and alcohol free is not part of my story, and in the people that I specifically market to, but I think you and I've talked about this before, three quarters of my clients are alcohol free.
And I think it is, specifically because this work dovetails so perfectly. And what I love about working with people in the alcohol free community is they've already made the commitment to themselves, right, they've already done the thing, that's the hardest thing, which is make the commitment to take away the synthetic regulator, you know, the thing that is kind of faking what it is they want for themselves. And through that commitment, I already know they're committed to themselves. So then we get to work on just really building understanding and skills and new scaffolding for the whole new way of being.
And it doesn't have to be that it's, you know, their relationship with alcohol can be food that also shows up a lot. It's whatever your synthetic regulator is, you know, it's TV or shopping or a relationships - addiction to just constantly being in a romantic relationship - whatever it is, we all have our way of trying to make it better. That is not skill based.
Emma
It's totally right. totally right. And it's such, I listen to you talk, and you're so calm. And it's just, I cannot emphasise more how important this work is. I was talking with my book club last night, about just how almost the next exception, rather than the rule of women who are living at the moment, in particular, with everything that's going on, we've got the pandemic, and then we're all expected to continue on with normal life. And the nervous systems are very heightened at the moment, and you know, so many female people that I work with are all my clients and my friends at the book club. And all different coaches from all different niches, but they're experiencing that women are just really struggling with this concept of regulating their nervous system, because there's just so much going on, right?
Jay
Yeah, and I think women in particular, are fairly porous to the people around them, you know, and that's kind of what we're, we're going to talk about today, that idea that if you're around others, we're so used to being the person potentially, who is like, it's our job to make sure everyone else is okay. Especially when it's your kids or when it's your clients. I've done a lot of work in the past with nurses and doctors, and people in direct care roles where it's like, well, if I'm in the room with a patient, I, I don't get to have needs, I don't get to exist, it's them. And yet, you're a person and you have a body and you have needs. And so how do we navigate that? So I think it's the nervous system dysregulation. And of course, you know, the more dysregulated the world is, the more dysregulated we tend to become, especially if you have that kind of blended, or enmeshed sense of self with those around us.
Emma
And I think that's so interesting, that word enmeshed me for a long time, I just thought it was empathy. I know now that it's something different. And I get lost sometimes between the two. It's like, what's empathy? And what is enmeshment? And what's my real experience with somebody else? And what's my and what's my porousness? What's my projection onto them of their experience? Do you know what I mean?
Jay
I do well, the way I experience that, when you talk about that is like, do I have an experience of myself around this person that I can distinguish from them? Because I think that that piece is like, you know, you were speaking in the language about our talk today about not abandoning yourself. And I think the way that we abandon ourselves in an embodied sense is we just kind of vanish. Like, right now. I could be from here up in the, and be only aware of what I'm thinking, what I think you're thinking about me, what I think that people are watching thinking about me or I can also be aware of the fact that I'm a little sweaty because it's hot in my room, and I can feel where my waistband touches my, my waist and I can feel that my right foot is tucked under my left foot and that I'm actually sitting in a chair that, like I am here. I'm not just thoughts and performance and I think that's that difference when we're trying to distinguish, like, what's empathy versus what's, you know, losing yourself is that empathy requires that you at least have some experience of yourself. Not just the projection of the other.
Emma
Yeah, that really resonates with me. It really resonates with me. And the porousness and the enmeshment. Can you talk a little bit about that, Jay?
Jay
Well, I think it's that same sense for many women I speak to, when we actually get into, like, what's it like when your family is around? Or what's it like when this colleague is around, they have that experience of, gosh, if I really put myself in that position, I don't really have a sense of being there. Like I have a sense of kind of being here, of either that, really externally focused, which again, is part of what our nervous system is telling us to do. This is how you stay safe, is to be alert to what's going on out here. Or, oftentimes, we used to talk about it in my group coaching, or one on one coaching is this sense of like, if you're enmeshed with someone, and they say âwe're doing thisâ, you really only have two options. One is to go with them, or one is to resist. And, and so you're kind of in this place where the porousness is, well, whatever you want to do, or what do you need from me? Yeah. And if you do that enough times then your only other channel and your brain is like,âscrew off, leave me aloneâ.
And that's where I talk about it. I've written about in the past that, like, that's where we start dropping bombs on Luxembourg, right? It's like that person has been used to going along and going along and going along, and then all of a sudden, it's like kabluey! And, and I think that's that kind of being porous, or bound to that person's reality, or I have to fight and push them off. To get mine back.
Emma
Thatâs exactly right. And I was, Jay knows this. But what my work that I've done with Jay has helped me so much in my relationship with my husband about this. And I think I've done a lot of research on, you know, eating disorders as well. And the same with alcohol. It's like, if we self we get into a pattern of self silencing, as in going along, acquiescing with other people's needs, not having our own back. That does, it's like where, you know, those 1000 little cuts, you talk about, that people talk about that. It's like these tiny micro aggressions to yourself, to our own sense of self, because we bet we, and a lot of the reasons a lot of women drink, is because we actually can't cope with the feeling of knowing that we've abandoned ourselves, but doing it anyway.
And that's when we lose our interoceptive awareness, we lose our ability to understand what's actually going on inside our bodies. And that's what the work that you do has been so powerful for me, because I've started to have conversations with my husband now, where he's relearning as well, this pattern so it's not, we're not, he's not bad, and I'm good and we're having a fight. He's not the parent. I'm not the child. And he's being a disciplinarian. It's like we're adults, on the same level, and we both have different experiences of life, different realities.
But yet, we can coexist without us having to make each other one of us âbadâ. Without me having to be right or him having to be right. It's like, we can both be right in our own reality. And, and that may not be the same. And that right not be the same because we're two different people. And I think people who drink have this so much where Jay is talking about here, this porousness, this inability to identify our own self from other people.
I was talking sorry, I wonât bang too much longer. But I was talking recently about how when I first took Damien back to home with my family, he asked to take some time out. And he said, can I go away to the bedroom and just have some time away from your family? And I was like, What? We don't do that, that's incredibly rude. We don't do that in my family. We sit in this heaving, swarming, messy mass. And we endure it. And it's, you know, I've never learned to do that. And I think that's like so many of us, isn't it?
Jay
Yeah. So yeah. I mean, absolutely. So many of our family systems are built upon fusion. And I know we've, I said, we wouldn't necessarily go too much into this, but into being in a one reality system, like, yeah, if there's, if we're in this family, in this family, we eat scrambled eggs with ketchup on it. And if you don't do that, you're outside of this. And it's like, well, yes, gosh, okay, well, then I'll just eat scrambled eggs with ketchup on it. Right, and I'll sit here and endure. And so I think, you know, back to this idea of being able to not lose yourself around someone else, or have your own back, you have to first have a body that you're aware of what's happening in it, you know, like back to the scrambled eggs and ketchup thing. It's like, oh, actually, I'm eating that. I don't really prefer that. I'd rather have, you know, salt on mine. And first, you have to know that. And then the next piece is how do you express that in such a way that like, you were saying, you're not making the: âYou're wrong for wanting ketchup, Iâm right for wanting salt.â
Like, no, For you - ketchup was great. For me, salt is great. And so how do we then create an I know, it's kind of silly, I'm really bad at coming up with metaphors on the spot. But the idea being that, first, you have to know what your experience is.
And then the second part is being able to express it. And I was just talking with a client about this earlier today. She was saying that in her family. She's known as the lecturer. I was like, Oh, I can totally identify that. She said, My mom and my sister both say, I'm the lecturer because I'm always telling them, you know, what they need to do. And this is going back to your first point where we were talking about, like when other people are not behaving the way you want them to.
Most of us do the thing where we lecture, we tell them how they can be different we, control we manipulate again, it's that out here, out here out here. And so I was sharing with her like, well, the, you know, the way to not be the lecture is to share from your own experience. So rather than being so involved with what your mom's doing, what she should be doing differently. What if you stayed present in your body when your mom is when she's doing that, you know, kind of harsh, critical thing. And instead of telling her, you need to be less critical, and stop just to pause and say, âWow, when you say that, my chest tightens up.â
And can you imagine how her mom who's been used to being told don't do this, you're bad. This is, you know, would maybe just pause an extra beat. If her daughter said, âWhen I heard you say that, I noticed, I felt tight and just felt kind of sick to my stomach.â
It might not change her mom's behaviour, it might because sometimes that little extra different tack that is disarming can make the other person shift. But what's important and this is what I was saying to my client is that in that moment, you didn't leave yourself.
Because if you're used to your mom criticizing you, and then you go off and try and change her, nobody's back here with you. And you've just been criticized. But if you can stay back here and say, âouch, that didn't feel goodâ. Then at least you're not being criticized and alone.
Does that make sense? Like literally does that make sense? The way I described that?
Emma
It does. And it reminds me and I was this is something I wanted to share with everybody. I was like, There's one thing I want to share that Jay taught me that has completely changed my life. And that was that she said to me and I'll probably say this wrong now because that would be typical of me. So I'd probably like to get it all around back to front but Jay, you can correct me. But it was life changing nonetheless. So that's all that matters.
Emma
It doesn't matter how I deliver it. So it was that you cannot truly have empathy with somebody while you're taking responsibility for them. Yeah, that's right. Nailed it. Thank you, my friend.
Jay
That's not how I say it, which is even better because you said it that way. And it's still in an Emma way. Which makes it even better. So say it again because I was like it was so good.
Emma
So you cannot truly have empathy for another human being when you are taking responsibility for them.
Jay
Yeah. So that was one that people normally go âwhoa, what?â.
So here's the example. If you asked me to do this live with you, and I say no, and you're upset, and I feel really responsible for that, then it's about me. You asked me to do this live with you. And I say, Oh, my God, I'd love Emma, and you are thrilled. And I feel really good about taking responsibility for making you happy, then it's also about me.
So whether you're happy, or whether you're sad, or whether you're pissed, or whether you're excited, if I'm taking responsibility for you being that way, because of what I've done, I'm making it about me, which is not what empathy is.
So if I were to say, you know, I'm sorry, Emma I just can't, I can't show up for that I have these other commitments, and you're upset. If I can separate that part of me that, because believe me, I was trained to take responsibility for everyone's feelings. That was my upbringing. Right? And so if I can divorce myself from, okay, Jay, it's not your job to take responsibility. I don't have to do the dance, make anything different? I can just go. Well, I get how disappointing that is. I'm really sorry, I can't be there. And I can say it from a place that's true as a point as opposed to a place that's like doing that, like, what do I need to do to make you better?
Emma
How can I fix it? That was just transformational for me. And I know I'm completely plagiarizing. But I always give you credit. Because I use it all the time in my work, yeah. Because it's life changing for women, I think because like what Jay says, we just take on so much. And I know I'll give you an example of how I've used it and how I let Jay coached me through this with my kids.
And now my kids have been diagnosed as ADHD and autistic with PDA, it's even more like, I'm so glad now that I've learned this tool. And I think what's really interesting about what Jay just said,that example where, you know, her client was becoming the thing, you know, that she wanted to be, that she wanted to see in the other person, and still stay there for herself. And I think this is like, a really big piece.
And for me, well, many of you know that my younger kid has been struggling to go to school since COVID. We went through a period before it all kind of really hit the fan where we were, we were trying to get her there every day. And ever since she was tiny, getting to school was hard. And I think anyone who's got autistic children and neurodiverse children or just children, because school is hard to understand, you know, understand where you put your shoes on, brush your teeth, and you're getting more and more hectic and stressed out about it.
And this could be something different. You know, it could be you're trying to get everyone to do their homework, or you're trying to get everyone to have their dinner or whatever it is, or they're acting up out outside and you're like, âOh, what do people think of me, my kids are behaving badlyâ or you know, it's there's so many scenarios. And it doesn't have to be about our kids, it could be about our husbands, it could be about our partners, it could be whatever.
But in this particular scenario, I would at the time, I was trying to get out to work, get the train, get my kids to school on time, there was a lot of things. And my kid would be going slowly. You'd be on going slowly, not doing it, or just not wanting to go to school, not going to school. And we can have that's a separate conversation, but basically not being able to get out of the house.
And so my energy over a two hour period was spent trying - and I don't do this anymore, we've changed our strategies entirely - but I was trying to get my child out of the door and into school. And by the end of that two hour period, I was burnt out, like exhausted and this went on for months and months and months.
And I was and this is when I was working with Jay, and Jay had this little conversation with me and we started to practice this kind of other way of being. And the other way of being was that when all this was kicking off, I would touch my skin. Remember that I was a human being on the earth, and that what was going on around me was not my responsibility. What I would do is I would say, to my little self, I would say, âIt's understandable that you're feeling really dysregulated. Because you want all of this stuff to happen. And you're not coming from it from a bad place. You want your kid to go to school, you want them to get there because you want, you know, you've been wanting them to learn and, and have a fulfilling life. And you've got a train to catch, and you've got another kid to get to school. So it's understandableâ
And I think that's the first step. It's like, before anything, reconnecting with yourself, reconnecting with your body in some way. Like Jay said, feeling your trousers, waistline, feeling your feet in your shoe, and just remembering that you're actually a human being on the earth, experiencing something and that that experience is okay.
First of all, so that's where we're not abandoning ourselves, that's where we are loving and nurturing ourselves. And then taking a few breaths, and even taking yourself away from the situation, but stopping trying to make something happen that wasn't gonna happen. And stop making them bad, stop making me bad. And just know that they are having their own experience of life. And I am also having mine, and I will do everything in my power to make that a successful experience for them within my power. But what I cannot do, I cannot change how they're feeling about that. I cannot change them. And I cannot change what they're doing. The only thing I can control is me. And the thing that they need when they're dysregulated is not a dysregulatred Mum.
Jay
I was just gonna say, you just talking about it - and to all the people who are watching - did you notice how much slower you got? How much softer you got, just talking about what you do when you shift that because I felt it. And I'm imagining, you know that when your kid is trying to get to school, feeling that from mom, is a totally different experience. So that whatever your kid is going through, they're getting the mirroring of like, Oh, over there, that systemâs Okay. As opposed to, we're just going to, you know, raise the storm everywhere.
Emma
And a little bit relating to, you know, when you're drinking, and you're around your kids, and I've talked about this, I'll talk I've talked about this in many different places, but is there's a slight feeling of that, especially with the younger ones, a little bit of unsafety, because their adult hasn't quite got their shit together. And their place of safety isn't as safe as they would like it to be. And that's, you know, we've all been there. We've all been that person. So it's of no judgment in that way. But it's the same sort of thing. How can they feel safe if we're not feeling safe?
Jay
Yeah. And I would say, because I'm aware of our time, and I want to keep talking forever. But just to kind of, say that in the group program that I did do that you went through yours truly the last module, like the fifth and final holy grail module is called, âLike who you are when you're around other peopleâ. And that's the point of all this. I mean, really, like, I think, you know, the people who I've worked with who have used alcohol, especially socially, it has so much to do with âI'm trying to like who I am, I'm trying to not be the weirdo I'm trying not to be the one who's too uptight. I'm trying not to be the one who's not smart enoughâ or whatever it is. And yet, the mechanism makes it hard for them to like themselves, as well.
And then it just compounds itself and what I love about using the nervous system and using the body and then using these paradigms, to learn a new way of being is that ultimately the outcome and hopefully you've experienced this yourself, is that you have a better experience of yourself around the people you love.
Emma
Definitely, and I can attest to that 100% And just a growing love for yourself as you are.
I want Jay to share this with you, because I think it is so important for people in my community, You know, people like me, people who've grown up drinking, and yeah, we just need to be able to connect that to ourselves, not abandon ourselves, learn to love ourselves learn to be be around other people. And so Jay, will you tell us a little bit about your programs, and where people can find you because I cannot recommend Jay and Jayâs services enough for me, it's an investment in your life and an investment in your relationships. And I feel quite teary about it, because it genuinely has changed my life. And I think it's one of the things that is keeping my marriage moving forward in a really positive way from a place that was not in a good place at all.
So thank you, Jay. And please share with everybody where they can find you and what your course is all about.
Jay
Yeah, I will. I just want to pause and say that really touched me to hear you and to feel you say that. Yeah. And I I love that that's true for you. I love that's true for you, you did the work. And I know it's been exciting at times and fun at times, but also really hard. So it's really cool to see you be able to say that from a place that I feel is true.
I just love the people I work with. I really do this because having these conversations and getting to talk about how it plays out feels really like such an honor. And right now most of my work is doing this in groups in the group called Yours Truly. And for the first time ever in my life, I feel like I named something, and I was like, âYes, that's right!â
Because it's that sense of I want to be able to say to someone who I love âThis is me, Truly. This is me coming from meâ.
And so yeah, it's a 12 week program, it starts, next course starts in August, August 18. So it's just right around the corner. And over the 12 weeks, we go through five different video modules that have to do with building your understanding of first how to work at the level of your nervous system in your body. Secondly, how to rewrite old paradigms for relating, like, for example, if you got told that it's your job, to take care of other people's feelings, that's a shitty old relating model that we need to get rid of, and replace with something healthy. So then, it's psychoeducation. And then the third piece of it is skill building, and primarily around language. So much of what we do is around well, when I'm around my husband, and he's doing this and I'm feeling this way, and this is the dynamic, like, Okay, I know how to get in my body and what the hell do I actually say?
Because what's true is if you had known how to regulate yourself from an early age, and you did have healthy relating paradigms, you would have a different language, you would speak differently. And so we really, these are kind of the three parts. And that third part is where I think it gets really fun. And people come in, they're like, Okay, here's the situation. And, you know, what do I say?
And that's where it's fun to be in a group and see, like, Oh, this is what Emma did. But this is what Kelly did. And oh, I could have done that. I could say that, you know, and you really learn from each other's bodies and nervous systems and ways of being. So yeah, that's called Yours Truly. And you can find out more about it on my website, which is jay-fields.com
Emma
And I have to say, Jay brings together the most awesome people, the group that I went through Yours Truly on, we're just I didn't know, we were so like minded and just respectful and just, you know, women that you vibe, often that you get, you know, sparks fly, because the conversations interesting and Jay brings together a really good group.
Jay
I'm glad you said that. I would say that, you know, as a facilitator of the group, it's my job to protect the group and make sure that the right people are there. And I also don't let anybody in who I don't think I genuinely can't help. And I would say the third piece and this kind of goes back to what I just said a little bit. I also know that if I don't genuinely have a connection and feel some love and care for someone when we first talk, they're not the right fit for the group because part of what makes it work is that I genuinely care about everyone who's in there. And then they get in and go, Oh, gosh, I'm not the only one. And then it just is pretty magic.
Emma
It is. Group work is so powerful. I think anyone who knows, has worked in the group knows, you know, there's an energy that can come that just takes on a life that has its own doesn't it. That whole kind of concept of the group is, you know, stronger than the sum of its parts kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So true. So true. So thank you so, so much. Jay. I'm so glad you're here.
Yes, I've seen lots of comments asking if we're going to record it, if it is recorded, I will download it. And we will upload it. And I will also add all of Jayâs contact details so that you guys can reach out to her. And I really recommend that if any of you are able to join Jayâs group, it is phenomenal. And I highly recommend it. So thank you so much.
Jay
You're so so welcome. And I have to say I'm laughing because Owen is the person who keeps saying you have to record this video. And she's the wonderful woman who's built my gorgeous website. And so I know she's doing this from like, Jay, itâs gotta go on your website! I got it. Oh, okay. Okay, it was great. Thank you so, so much. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. It's my absolute pleasure. And I'm so excited for the other conversations in your next 10 days or so. Right?
Emma
Yeah, yeah. In the lead up to our launch.. So you're so yeah, and we've got our master class, which is my kind of webinar on the five surprising ways that taking a break from alcohol can be effortless and change your life. I can say it like a cheesy presenter. I'll put the link to that as well on the live. Thankyou Jay. Go and have an amazing evening and I appreciate you so much.
Jay
Yeah, you have a good morning and till next time. Thanks for watching everybody out there.
