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Hello and welcome to this week's episode of midlife a f where I will be chatting to the wonderful Rebecca Jade. Rebecca is a doctor of Chinese medicine and acupuncture. She's also a meditation and yoga teacher and I work with back and I think it's absolutely amazing. We spoke together on Australia Day, survivors day invasion day on Monday is quite a powerful conversation. And, yeah, I really recommend having listened. But particularly if you're interested in yoga and the power of these kinds of practices that we use as a scaffold to support this life that we don't want to escape from this midlife If so, over to myself and bet if you're a woman in midlife, his intuition is telling you that giving booze the elbow might be the next right move. There. Midlife AF is the podcast for you. Join counselor psychotherapist, this naked mind and gray area drinking alcohol coach Emma Gilmore for a weekly natter about parenting quirky teams, menopause relationships and navigating this thing called midlife alcohol free. If you're feeling that life could be so much more that you're sick and tired of doing all the things for everyone else. If your intuition is waving her arms manically at you saying it could all be so much easier. We didn't have to keep drinking, come with me. Together we'll find our group without booze.
Speaker 1 1:56
I lovingly acknowledge the boomerang people of the Kulin nation as the custodians of current Baroque. I share my admiration for the Aboriginal culture I witnessed the connection that they have for each other and the land and their community. As I swim in the waters and walk on the land, I feel the power of this place. I'm grateful for the Aboriginal peoples amazing custodianship, the power, beauty and the healing potential of this place. I wish to pay special respects to the elders of the Buena, wrong people. Their wisdom, guidance and support are exceptional, and felt well beyond the Aboriginal community. I honor that this is Aboriginal land, and that it has never been ceded. I am committed to listening to the Aboriginal community, and learning how I can be an active ally in their journey to justice.
Speaker 2 2:52
Oh my darling. Fantastic. Always a bit clunky. That was the most planky I've ever had it. But it can be a bit clunky.
Speaker 3 3:04
I know I was being so very patient. Thank you lovely. Emma, thank you so much for having me on to your amazing channel. And you're amazing. heartspace Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 2 3:22
I'm so delighted you're here. I'm so glad you're able to join and bring some of your wonderful energy to this day, which both Becky and I acknowledge is a difficult day for us all. And, you know, can bring a lot of feelings and emotions. And I think, you know, we were saying beforehand, sorry, I'm gonna go. And that's just going to have to be okay. Yeah, I've been like this all day. It's been such a strange day, as I walked down this morning, and I walked down to have swim with my friends who swim. And you could see all the yachts out in the bay. And it's like, this day that you know, Australia days a day where people sail you know, and let me say I've just lost Rebecca bring it back. And there's just a lot of stuff with that. That just feels Hey back. Sorry. I lost you. They're just talking you. Were just saying I was I was walking down this morning to the beach and I just feel like a very emotional day. I was you know, listening to and reading from the Aboriginal First Nations people that I know and their posts and just feeling so. So bummed still that we're doing this Yeah, Sorry, I'll just put myself a little bit more together. But I just wanted to start off today by just doing an acknowledgement of country as well. And just, you know, to acknowledged the Bruner and people of the Kulin nations, which is where myself and I think, Becky, are you in the same? Yeah. As the custodians of the land that we live on and sharing our aberration and my admiration for their culture and their community. And, you know, the beautiful care that they have for the lands in the beautiful care that they've had for centuries and centuries. And just how extraordinary this country is how extraordinary their patience with
Speaker 2 6:05
top acknowledging half the situation. And just wanting to do thank them for everything, to pay special respect to their elders and acknowledging their role, their wisdom, and guidance and support that's felt well beyond their community and honoring my deepest heart that this is Aboriginal land, and it's never been ceded. And I'm committed to listening as I know, Becky is to, to the Aboriginal community and learning how, and we will get it wrong. How we can be another Hi. Hi, darling.
Speaker 3 6:57
Okay. Can you yes mr. big hearted, Emma, thank you so much for those very open and honest and raw, sharing of feelings. Darling, let's all take a reset breath. Everyone here, take a deep inhale, there's a really big, steep inhale. long exhale. And again, let's take another deep inhale at the top of your breath, inhale again. Long and smooth, the slow exhale.
Unknown Speaker 7:56
Can Let's go again, deep inhale.
Unknown Speaker 8:02
Another deep inhale.
Speaker 3 8:07
slow and smooth, long exhale as you breathe this kind of into your tailbone, into your sacrum, into your spine and into your feet. So just connecting yourself with your land where you find yourself positioned today. Okay, thank you. So hello, my name is back. And I've been invited here for a brief chat with the lovely and McGill on doing such important work in the world. We think that we might talk about Yin Yin Yoga. I am an acupuncturist and adopter of traditional Chinese medicine. Last year, I celebrated 20 years as a as an acupuncturist. And for 10 years before that, I was a massage therapist and Reiki practitioner. So this year 2024 is actually 30 years that I have been working up close and personal with other human beings. So this is really a position of deep privilege to be sharing a space, a vulnerable space with others who come in such a feeling of feeling better and, you know, choosing me to be a part of that journey with them. So about 10 years ago, I'd be Ghana, a very committed meditation practice. And if you don't have a committed meditation practice, I highly encourage you to begin today. Because this, this deep inner work really changed my life and in a way that just very briefly allowed me to have a very strong voice that sits right here to say, to really guide and say, you know, now is the time to do this, now is the time to do that. And so gives you this lovely sort of confidence in what you're doing. And also a sense of sort of separation, like you just like, going with the flow and, and following instruction and guidance. So that was my experience with that. And then the voice suggested it was time for me to teach meditation. So and I was absolutely frightened as Emma, I'm sure you received similar guidance, hey, it's time for you to do a podcast. And you probably weren't, what? No, so I was, what No. And, and was just a very forceful, yes, you are definitely going to do this. And I know, I was very shy. And anyway, that's been a very transformative journey. At the same time, what I was noticing with my patients was a was an increase in panic attacks and real mental health, like escalating anxiety and God or spirit or whoever, it's very, like when you are working with humans really closely, really interesting things happen. Like, early in my career, you know, five people would come in with tennis elbow, for example. It's like, oh, this is my week to get really good at tennis elbow. But during this time, before I started teaching meditation, just escalating states of anxiety and panic attacks, people that I've known for a really long time, going to hospital with, you know, I need an ECG, my I'm having a heart attack, you know, age 30. So, the one on one thing wasn't working for me anymore. And, and that was, you know, my journey into teaching meditation. yin yoga was exactly the same very strong voice saying now it's time for you to learn to be an in yoga teacher and to teach yet because when you're working with people, so, often, you feel like, if only this person was doing XYZ, one of those XYZ is is always if only this person would stretch more, if only this person would be more present with their temple with their body and connect deeply with themselves. And this is kind of true for most reasons that people come to acupuncture no matter what it is, like migraine or digestive or period things or back pain. So there was something so I practice yoga myself. But there's something in yen that is incredibly special. And it is like a harnessing of yourself like when you are deep in a pose. So the difference so yen itself, our creates a in style of yoga is a long hold. So you are holding a pose for between three and five minutes. So say for example, you might pop your leg out to the side and you you have bolsters and cushions and you kind of like you know leaning over your leg to stretch, you know either your adapters I mean our hamstrings, depending on the angle of your upper body and you stay there and in is working with the release of fascia. So you're working with all your inter connective tissue, your membrane, so it's not for muscle building. It's for stretching your fascia and nourishing Your joints and the parts of your body. And then by doing that you are releasing, I'm going to say, painful, traumatic events that is stored in your body's tissue. Yes. And I met lovely Emma on a yin retreat. And so maybe as a receiver of this lovely medicine, and my you might like to talk to how you actually feel, you know, during class or after class like what your experience is, or has
Speaker 2 15:37
it sorry, so interesting, because I met Rebecca and Becky are back. On the first day of the retreat, I've not met back before I knew Chris, who's on there. Hi, Chris. Because she was my naturopath. I met her and she was like, let's go and do this retreat. And I was like, hell yes. And then I met back on the first day, and she has this beautiful presence with her. I was not very well, I can't remember what had happened. I think I just had a little tiny bug or something overnight tiny back. And, and she helped me in her case. As Chris and I had done a little bit before, not much, but I had when I had done it. It I found exactly what back talks about, I found it very aligned to the work I do with humans. But for me personally, I found it was a way that I could sit with difficult stuff and work it through. And there's a million different ways that I do that in my life in order to bring less reactivity into my interactions with the world. And myself. But Yin, for me, there's something so special about it. And what we did on this retreat with and I will probably not do the retreat justice because it was sensational. That Chris and canned their friend, Vanessa, organized for us very lucky humans. We started we start and end each day with yen, which is way Yes. So we started with pranayama breathwork. Yin. And then we also did some beautiful Qigong Yes. And it was such an amazing way to start Mandy's day
Unknown Speaker 17:54
in the jungle.
Speaker 2 17:58
And it was so it was the place is just was phenomenal where we were. But for me, it's been a place where I can sit with really difficult stuff that I'm trying to work through and understand. And being a person of a neuro divergence. Make cup, I'm still trying to understand all of that, I, I, in my work with alcohol, because a lot of the reasons why people drink is because it's difficult for you with our experience of the world. And so we use alcohol to numb or control for escape. Generally, really, the humans that I work with, and myself included, either feel things in a massive way, or don't feel anything at all. And there's lots of, you know, debates and discussions around why that all might be. But for me, I have always been quite a numb person, like a lot of people I know. So it's either tends to be one of two ways. So the thing I find particularly interesting from my, in my own story is that both my kids feel things in a very big way, which makes me think that I probably also think, feel things in a very big way, but it shut down quite a long time ago. And I use my not feeling things as a coping mechanism to help me get through things, but that yes or no to trauma being the causal, you know, nervous system or genetics or anything is largely irrelevant. Because the the experience and what I worked with most of my clients on and what I'm continuously learning myself is how much our ability to be in With Us dials in our distress, and to be able to lean in, and softly, softly, gently, gently, as much as we are able to
Speaker 2 20:20
allow our experience of the world to be without trying to change or make it bad, or run away from it. And so for me in yoga and Beck's approach, and Chris's approach and Vanessa's approach exemplified is that that's probably the wrong word. I can't think of the right word at the moment, but
Speaker 3 20:49
it is exactly what it is exactly what happens in a class that when you are in a pose for a long time, and it's just you and your breath, and silence or perhaps there's some gentle music playing but you know, it provokes irritation or I'm feeling uncomfortable, I can pose might actually be fairly comfortable. But suddenly, you notice all this, there's
Speaker 2 21:26
something shiny out there,
Speaker 3 21:29
you know, just that inability to just stay still for for a little while. And that, you know, there's, there's such a deep, well, there can be just such a deep release that comes with that, because what is underneath that. And as you are in your pose for say, Well, I can only go with my own body. So after perhaps two minutes in a pose, there's a real drop, like something really spreads and goes and you're able to move more deeply into yourself. And then after that drop in, then there is sort of like a flush, that happens like a release of hormone that brings this really acute sort of stillness. Sometimes, not all the time. But then the experience, it's Amin is like an ocean and so your your mind is just kind of able to float freely. And just notice the thoughts that come up and you know, the thoughts that don't need to be recognized or the thoughts that come into, you know, our, you know, this perhaps, invitation for process. Traditional Chinese Medicine loves to compartmentalize every single thing in the universe in their five element theory, and your organ system has energetic channels that we call meridians that extend into your fingers and you feel like all the way down your legs and into your arms and this is basically Chinese medicine theory. And poetically, they all meet like at the top of your head, this is actual poetry. So when so say for example, you have a migraine so what I'm saying is you can use yen as medicine you can use yoga as medicine. So say you have a migraine, this is usually liver related disharmony. So you can look up oh, what are the Yin poses for my liver and perhaps you can also notice our limited time is spring you know, our my my migraines worse in the springtime. And so in the springtime, you might want to do more of say, you know, a liver flow. So in our classes, we move flow with the seasons as well. And in our classes, you can also come and say hey, I actually have a migraine and we do acupressure points and you know, just sort of curate the class a little bit more, personally for you. I really do love that part of the class. It's a really nice community feel. Teaching in and teaching meditation is is like a lot of being an acupuncturist. Like I said before, it really is a position of privilege. Like it's never work, it's always amazing. And the people who are walking in the door always amazing. And it's so refine and soy are interesting. And you can be as light or as, or as deep as you want to go with your patients. And not but by the end to yin and teaching. Meditation is like, wow, you know, just all of that, that I said about acupuncture just kind of times infinity like holdings holding community space. And Megan's been meditating for, I don't know. years. years. Yeah. And we love it. It's like, it's, it's like, it's like, my religion is like church. It's like, oh, I can't wait to be with these pew and sit and breathe. Right. So you're sitting and breathing and kind of doing like you're doing the lump. And you're also doing nothing like it's such an honor. Yes.
Speaker 2 26:03
I love that. Megan says, and I'm so glad you're here make the experience of yours. It is like the ocean love that. Yes, beautiful things. And I was just too high money. Yes. We I remember when we were on a retreat with you, it was just incredible experience. And it's so funny, because it's almost, it takes me some time to process this thing. And just remember how spectacular they were. And I just remember that on the last day you guys did that amazing. We were doing yin and there was beautiful new music and it was acupuncture and it was chest. And you're just scraping by what you guys did then Becky because that was just insanely wonderful. This is what I'm told this
Speaker 3 27:04
is a this is a ritual that we do on our last day that's gone through many incarnations has it not Christine Carly. We we usually do it with cacao. And because we love cacao and we love Vanessa talks so beautifully to the mother cacao and just with her Portuguese. The way she says things, and then talking about plant medicine, like it's just beautiful. And we play some shamanic music, and we do esoteric acupuncture. So these three things combined. However, in Bali, you know, the fourth was the atmosphere of just being in the jungle with our sounds is was just so deeply resonant. Anything Yes, having a group experience or group acupuncture experience and esoteric acupuncture is spiritual acupuncture, we're using sacred geometry to magnify the potency of the points of the little four tools that acupuncture points are. So it's like you're all kind of sharing, borrowing, because you're all having the same grid placed in your subtle body. And then that music is just so cool.
Speaker 2 28:38
That means it yeah. Yes, it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3 28:43
And so yeah, it's that's those the way we finish all of our retreats. We must have been doing that since the very beginning. Yes. So
Speaker 2 28:52
thank you for describing that. Because I wouldn't have been able to do it myself because I was in it. And it was just so like, wildly wonderful. But I had no idea what was going on, if you know what I mean. It was like I was like, it's nice, you know, and like you say there's something about group work. And I know for me when I'm working with my humans, and just excel roaring and discovering this stuff together, even if it's, you know, a silence situation other than your teacher, like being in community and being part of something bigger than us, and the create the energy that's created from the power of a shared experience with other humans in a world. That's incredible. So Chris has legs, eggs, it's just an I think this is what for me, because, you know, and I know so many of us life's busy and none of us have really recovered from COVID. And, you know, there's a lot of us a lot of people I speak to, who are limping through, you know, not that many people are jumping into January, new year new me vibe, there's an awful lot of people who are still, I think COVID has had more of an impact on us than we realize. And, you know, being able to do something like what Beck offers in her group classes, which means that you don't have to go anywhere. And obviously, it's not going to be available to everybody, because of the days and times nothing ever is right. But just having space to rest and be and to connect, connect. Through is great for me, for me as a person working with humans struggling without it. And really, it's kind of almost, you know, alcohol is a it's almost a distraction, because it's not about our code. It's never about the coping mechanism, right? It's about that we've been using something to keep us safe, because we don't know how to do our life in a different way. We haven't learned the skills yet. And so, you know, it's interesting, because when you work with people who are struggling with alcohol is there's often and like we was for me, you know, a million other different coping mechanisms that we employ, some of which are, you know, validated, hated by society and others are not the productivity to culture, some comparison, itis busyness, this whole experience of living in our western world is in many cases too much. Because it is too much and it's kind of like a lie that it is that and
Speaker 3 32:09
I speak to Yeah. We talk about the energetics, you know, of, of life of nature. And this busyness is, is Yang. It's a yang chi, right? Yes. All of this. And so without anything to anchor and really anchor in a devotional way, like protecting that anchor, like, this is really important. I love being busy. We, you and I talk all the time. We love our businesses, like our businesses and playground, but with good on your campaign. Anchor, the Yin, like Yin is balancing for Yang so you can do all that busyness. Like if you have this thing that you know, childlike cat, right? Like this protective space that you have around your meditation, practice your yoga practice your walk in the, in the forest at the beach, you're in class, you know these things, then you can you can you can recover from COVID You know, it doesn't it's just can become the non thing. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 33:34
Absolutely. And it's, it's, it's, it's so interesting that you offer this and for me, I would say people always say to me, Well, what do you what do you need to support an alcohol free live? What do you need to support our library are not looking for things to numb control us to escape, etc. And it is about creating a scaffolding to support your life. And so that that way you can read so that you do get to turn off the busyness Hold on a second. All right, Damien, I'm on a pod. I'm on a live on Instagram.
Unknown Speaker 34:20
This is real life just coming in here.
Unknown Speaker 34:26
And an energy there's an energy there as well. I've got distracted sorry. What were we just say?
Speaker 3 34:37
Just scaffolding like with that. Yeah. So work this word.
Speaker 2 34:42
The other thing is scatter, folding to support ourselves because a lot of the time when we are in distress and that is why Thanks Katie. We're in distress and things are we when I talk to people without Our call it often that we have not, we're not able to prioritize ourselves. And that is why people are drinking or using Shopping, shopping or going on social media or whatever your coping mechanism may be, you know what it is largely irrelevant. It's, it's more than it's our nervous systems are so overloaded. And we're not able to prioritize ourselves and not to choose to give ourselves some space. And it's almost like, until we're ready until we're able to do that it's very difficult to Yes, support a life without coping mechanism without destructive coping mechanisms or coping mechanisms that seem good short term, but probably longer term aren't necessarily beneficial for us. And it is why the work I think that you do as such, and why I would encourage anybody that works with me to seek out back, Christine, and other human doing similar work in order to support life, where you can learn to be new with your experience of life without having to be something that you have to escape. Thanks, darling.
Speaker 2 36:35
And that's why I wanted to have you here better because you are just such a calming human to have in the world. And if there's any way that I can share with you or your message get your beauty, truth, your dentistry to my people, then that would be such a godsend for them.
Speaker 3 37:07
And actually, you know, right back to you, Emma, I have sent, I can't remember how many people you know, and they they're like, looking, they're doing the sideways thing.
Unknown Speaker 37:21
You know, because they're not ready,
Speaker 3 37:23
but they have your information. Yeah. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2 37:30
So Becky, thank you so much. And thank you for doing that beautiful grounding breathwork thing with me when I was just feeling so sad. And it's still going on for me, energetically, but I think that would have been so beautiful for us all to experience today. Because it's a tough day, right? It's complicated. It's
Speaker 3 37:53
complicated, because some really feel proud of our country and we want to be happy, whatever that is. But, you know, we just we do it mindfully and inwardly Yeah, yes. Way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 38:18
But Becky, tell, tell people, if you're open to a bit about when and how your your work and how people can find you and how they can work with you and what your offerings are, if you would be open to doing that
Speaker 3 38:34
examine. I am Rebecca Jade. My business is called Peace, love and acupuncture. I have a website peace, love acupuncture.com. I have my Instagram, peace, love and acupuncture. I have four classes a week. One of them is in yoga on a Friday afternoon. I have morning classes, which are esoteric acupuncture, meditation, which is spiritual acupuncture as a meditation and pranayama it is something that we can probably talk about another time because Yeah. So those morning classes are on a Tuesday on a Friday and I also have a private group. If you are really serious about your meditation, and that is Tuesday 130. And that is lovely Megan in here, Megan is very serious about meditation. She is in that group. It's been I was really nervous. Was I nervous? I was like, Oh, God, I have to do this thing. And it was easy. So thank you for teaching me something new Mr. Just really doing such a great job. Thank you. And also, you know, thank you for talking about the retreats that Christina and I offer. Christine Kali my Life bestie 30 years we've been friends and our company is called Beautiful humans retreats. So we do retreats in Victoria and in Bali once a year. So you might want to look at that as well. Thank you so much for your time and math really valuable. Thank you so much.
Unknown Speaker 40:19
Thank you treasure. Thank you for coming and doing this with me. I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1 40:25
Oh my goodness, guys, I wanted to just quickly interrupt and just let you guys know that I've got my five day virtual retreat running this February the 19th of February to the 23rd I think it's 23rd Yeah, 7pm every evening Melbourne Sydney time on Zoom, it is going to be phenomenal. I run it for the first time as a five day program before Christmas in the lead up to my great Ozzie alcohol experiment. A in it was in September. And it was an absolute Corker, everyone loved it. Totally new material really, really focused on my particular way of coaching which is sort of a mixture of all the different things I've learned from being a counselor psychotherapist, who are working with Gabor Ma Tei, to working with Annie grace to working with Julian Park on gray area drinking so this naked mind as well. And you know all the other different teachers that I've had over the years, and I've amalgamated to come up with what I believe the absolute essential to changing your relationship with our core is it's quite different from what a lot of people talk about. It's not about pushing. It's not about restricting, it's not about working really hard. It's about loving, it's about leaning in, it's about challenging. Everything that you let believe is what changing relationship with alcohol is about. It's about changing all of your beliefs around our core so that you no longer feel that alcohol is something you need in order to celebrate, to commiserate to relax. It's real. So it's changing and liminal thinking it's learning how to be with ourselves and our bodies in our distress. And there's really practical examples of that I'll have workbooks that you can download, and have audio files that you can listen to in your own time. So we'll go through we'll do some inner child work, it's going to be really interactive, it's going to basically teach you all of the different things that I use to stop drinking, and I work with, with my clients on a daily basis. So really intense, great five days, it will be an hour session each time. And there will be like I said, there'll be workbooks and there'll be chosen things that you can use for setting yourself up for success with wherever you want to be with your relationship with alcohol is really, really different what I teach, I have developed my own method from all of the different teachers that I've had. And it's very, very successful. And it's also really, really good fun, too. And I was talking recently to some of my clients, and we were talking about what are the amazing things about living the life that you're not controlled by alcohol, where you can just take or leave alcohol. And that's exactly what I'm gonna be teaching over this five days and the things that we talked about silly little things, it's things like you know, being able to go and pick up your kids from their MCAS shift at 10 o'clock on a Saturday night. Waking up in the morning and not being an asshole to yourself. But it's another one I can't wait what are my clients, it's this evening, ah, getting up in the morning on Saturday morning and driving to park from and not having to worry if you were over the limits. And then one another one that was coming off was things like going to the cinema and just the amount of bandwidth that gets taken up by drinking it out. But uh, we're talking in our group about drinking and how you know, if you drank cinema, which you still are, I used to really enjoy and I even drink things like I'd have a nice bottle of fizzy wine. Who, when when because we'd see the greatest showmen. And I remember one time being mortified because I was watching something quite serious with my mom. And I'd had one little piccolos of champagne. It wasn't enough to get recently that movie to get off and get another one. And we were talking about how, you know, once then when you're drinking and you're out. You've got some plan, you're sort of how do I get there and get home without driving because in how to get Ubers and then just adjust the amount of brain space that is taken up by alcohol. And just talking about how you know this isn't what we were put on the slide in this earth to be about we weren't put on this earth to have been mean to ourselves every day to not be out Be proud of ourselves and capable enough to pick our children up when they need picking up weren't put on this earth to regret our behavior we weren't put on this earth to have our brains filled with different ways that we can get to do things that involve our con as opposed to just like living our lives. So if any of you if that resonates with any of you, if that's something you would like, I highly recommend it's 50 bucks or 47 bucks. And it's a really, really great program. And I think if you are going to change your relationship without all you have to start by investing in something to help you so a community to program and then you also have to invest in yourself, you have to invest some time and like I want to change this, it's causing me problems, I'm not enjoying it, it's not making me happy, it's making me sad, I'm going to do something about it, then you got to put in, you know, an hour a day for five days. And you know, that you show up and do the work and, and you will be a mazed at the transformation. And you'll be there soon. You know, picking the kids up from the gym at nine o'clock on Saturday night like my clients going to the cinema and rejoicing in the fact that you don't have to drink and realizing that you don't need alcohol to enjoy yourself and you know that you can actually literally just take it or leave out but most of the time you will choose to leave it because it's absolutely nothing to offer you. So if you want to live that kind of free life, I encourage you today to join my five taste of freedom virtual retreat. I'll see you there 19th of Feb. 7pm and the link to join which I highly advise you to do is in the shownotes alright my darlings, take care see you soon. Thanks for tuning in to this week's episode of midlife AF with Emma Gilmore. If you enjoyed it, please share on Instagram for your friends and tag me at hote rising coaching. If you want to help me grow the podcast please review the episodes for me on Apple podcast that really helps. If you would like to work further with me please go to my website www Haute rising coaching.com for my free and paid programs or email me at Emma at Hope rising coaching.com sending a massive cuddle to you and yours for me and mine and remember to keep choosing you
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