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Thank you Em Always a pleasure. And yes, I always enjoy our conversations online and offline. And over the past weeks, I'm gonna set Somaly two years you've been such a great support in so many ways. We're getting close to two years. Yeah, which is such a blessing. So thank you M. So yes, my work is shifting somewhat, but no surprises in a way. So I am a transformational life coach. And I have been since 2013. I owned a yoga studio, which I sold in March 2023. So that was almost a four year journey of being a yoga studio owner. And my work has been a lot around helping women. And what I realized late last year was, through my own experience of perimenopause to menopause becoming much wiser. And I don't want to say well, I am going to say it starting to reflect and have some regrets about my lack of acceptance around my body. And even my decision to become a yoga teacher in 2018. And the journey to get myself to allow myself the joy of being in a size 14 to 16 body, which you know, even when I say that M it's almost like saying I've got a bit of privilege here because that is a very mid sized body. However, in the terrain of the Western world, and mid sized body size 14 to 16 was not overly accepted. In my view on particularly, you know, living on the Gold Coast as a yoga teacher body. Yes, got it. snid Yeah, the journey of of I am when I first started to study to be a yoga teacher. There was no intention to be a teacher at all I thought because I was a life coach and I'd had this lots of experience with people I knew that my life coaching was wonderful, but accompanied with yoga through my own yoga practice. Getting into the body moves emotion. And also you have this beautiful practice of starting to appreciate your own body. So I started my yoga teacher training with no intention at all of becoming a yoga teacher. And thankfully, you know, through the grace of God or whatever you want to call it, my yoga teacher Madonna said to me, you're going to teach, aren't you? No, no, but the long the short of it is yes, I finished my yoga teaching training. And the next week I started teaching for her and her belief in me was so wonderful. And yes, I had a lovely yoga practice, but no stretch of the imagination was I pulling out handstands and you know, acrobatic yoga. I was a classically trained yoga teacher. And I just love the philosophy but mostly how it feels in the body. So through my own yoga journey, I have healed a lot of the non body acceptance and now I'm still on a body acceptance journey and then through my program that I teach the clarity catalyst which is morphing into a body love. abdication of that practice, this is a lot of the tools that I share is really coming back home to that so hence me you are joining me on the body love revolution, online Summit, which starts on the 15th of February very excited. So we've got four days but we have Emma is one of our guests. But I have got 16 incredible women sharing about their tips and tools, techniques, their own body love journey. And really starting to question the beauty industry, the beauty standards, starting to question the toxic diet culture. And I believe we're actually moving at a wonderful rate through this, but still, and you know, I'm doing these interviews with everyone all weekend, and I'm realizing my own language. And they've been programmed in us that I'm only just becoming aware of language. Oh, be quiet. And just now this time of year, I say I'm a recovering yo, yo Dieter is fascinating, you know, in my journaling this week, which is another big practice, as you know, and we both have a big strong practice around journaling, that beautiful place where you self reflect, and this time of year, we've just come off summer holidays, this is the first year I don't have a child going back to school. So my youngest graduated here before so this is my year of no child in school. And even the process of that, and this is what come out my journaling this week. This time of year, I start to feel myself getting a little on shaky ground around that drawing back to the diet culture drawing back to new new new you looking around hearing language, many people in my life still Yeah, I spoke to two people last week, I'm on the shred and clear that they've shredded, which I know that in six months time or four months time that weight will be back on because that's because it's unsustainable and it doesn't work. And we'd be drastic, we shred we'd be drastic, but then the drastic because it's unsustainable. So you're talking to people and then this pool of me wanting to come back and get on a diet now. And I got to go through my journal and going, but what I know better, what is that, and it came back down to the start of the year, I don't have a child going back to school. So I'm not governed by school terms, which I have been for 20 years. So I'm not governed by that. I start to feel a little bit out of control. It's like, Come on, get some routine back. There's safety in a diet. There is there is control in a diet. And the other piece, let's now whip your ass and punish you because you've had a bit too much of a good time over Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, lots of that swirling around. So the awareness has been really great for me to go this again, is this pool back to what I know, program. I mean, I'm 48 on, I'll be 48 on Saturday 48 On Saturday, this has been 35 years of this understanding. And I'm learning and I'm programming that is takes a bit of presence, a lot of presence, and a lot of awareness. Yeah. 100%
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It's really interesting you say that and because I reflect on to kind of celebrities who, you know, people commented a lot on their weight loss. And I I remember at the time writing one of them was Chrissy Swan, she stopped drinking, and she lost a lot of weight. And she lost a lot of weight because she was walking every day. And I remember commenting on a post and just seeing people commenting all the way. You look so great. Oh my goodness, you've lost so much weight. And it was like this is literally the fact that Christmas one has lost weight is the least interesting part of this story. The fact that she has improved her mental health, that she is feeling so great about herself that she's getting out in nature. This is the interesting part of the story. And it was the same when Denise de t decided to go on her ADHD meds as soon as she went on ADHD meds all people could do was comment on the size of her body as if like her body was something for other people to have an opinion on and for them to go straight into terms of what was acceptable and what was not acceptable. Same thing and I remember what she's saying the same thing it's like this is this is not interesting. Why is everybody commenting on this? It is and I you know even friends of mine who are pretty well involved will say or you look great. You look like you've lost about five eautiful intelligent woke human beings. You've lost. One I haven't but number two, why is that that compliment you know? Yeah. Interesting.
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Is and it's in its undoing that even saying the word even it's it's it's really being mindful of what we comment With friends and what we don't because yes, we do love to give comments and we do need to acknowledge. But what what else can we be talking about? What else can we be talking about? You know, we could compliment the outfit we could compliment, you know, like the creativity, whatever it might be, but it's really
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sparkly look at your sparkle. Like you've full of energy. Yeah. I wonder if even commenting on people's body. It's like, Oh, I like your dress or something like that. But, yeah, it's nice to say things like that. But it's like, Where does it start? Where does it stop?
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Yeah. And then I've noticed two people wanting to fall into the conversation around their bodies wanting to fall into that conversation. And even when it came to you, I ran a couple of workshops around the word of the year. And also, it was just interesting how some of the words were tied into bodies. Yeah. And that
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kind of being a little bit mean to ourselves, that kind of pull yourself up. It's like discipline.
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Yeah, discipline. Yep. whip yourself into shape. This is why we focus on this, because we pulled up. Yeah, yeah. So the body loves revolution has got some other speakers M and we're in it's yes, body acceptance, but also the aging piece. Aging. Huge. Yeah. At you growing gray, and still stepping out into the world. So Lori Mae is speaking on the summit, and about her journey of going gray. And then her modeling career, how that sector that's even interesting. And she was saying the comments that she gets a lot, which we'll hear more in the summer is, Are you very courageous to do that. Like, it almost seems like quite a lot of courage to go gray. And she was talking to about you the difference between how a man can go gray and we will say all little Silverfox isn't distinguished. A woman goes grabbing a wall, she's let herself go. It's yeah, it is such a you know, just that patenting all that that programming that we've had for so many years. And we forget to we forget to challenge that we don't question it. That's the other thing that's been interesting in this body LOVE REVOLUTION Summit, to me is questioning beauty standards that I've never questioned before. Things that I've just never questioned, I have just accepted and not questioned. So that's been enlightening. And like I said, particularly around my language. Yeah, I don't even realize the words and the language that I'm using. That's disempowering. But I've said it for so long. So it's yeah, the mindfulness being really present. Spear. Yeah, big lips. Sorry. No, I was gonna say in terms I know that you have done intuitive eating so that's another counseling and your your qualifications. That's feels another really interesting topic for me that I still haven't got a grasp on as well. Like I'm, I feel like body acceptance, body positivity, my yoga practice embodying that is one area that is a journey for me. And I feel like I've made some really wonderful progress and mindful, but the intuitive eating pace is another realm of this. And it's a great alternative to the to, well, it's not an alternative. That's the wrong language. It's not an alternative to diet culture. That's the wrong language. It is a it is a shift in perception. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how would you describe it?
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So intuitive eating? Well, again, I went, I decided to study to become an intuitive eating counselor because of my own personal journey. And for me, I've along with everything, I always study what I actually want to learn how to do myself. Because I think it's the best way to learn, right? And the reason I haven't actually really started practicing yet is because I'm still very much on my journey with it. And the thing I think the two principles of intuitive eating, are that, you know, it's absolutely not diet culture. Like it's, it's actively anti diet culture. And I think it separates itself slightly from mind filleting because it's less sort of I'm going to sit and quietly observe and taste and be present to my eating, although it does incorporate that. But there is a lot of work. It's a sort of mixture between what they call gentle nutrition, which is sort of eating and basic food groups. But it's it really, I mean, one of the exercises, it can be very confronting and light you am I've, I've gone back and forth with it. Like I started, I was like, right, I started this journey for me probably about four years ago. But at the same time, as I stopped drinking, I think, I think last night, I did my last diet in just after I stopped drinking, and I did that for a while and I lost a lot of weight, it was really, really thin. And then I decided I had something in me knew it wasn't the right you know, it wasn't, didn't feel right, it felt didn't feel it didn't sit right with my feminist principles. To be honest, it felt like I was doing it for somebody else and not doing it for me. And it felt restrictive, and it felt punishing, and it felt it felt unloving, to didn't feel like I was being loving towards my body. But there's a lot of different elements to it. But one of the things is, you know, you have to first of all part of the process is you allow yourself everything. Yes. And it's not about so for example, if you've been restricting for years, you might say, Okay, I'm gonna give myself complete, unfettered access. And one of the things that people find quite hard with intuitive eating, is it's not about losing weight. It's not. So that's not what it's about. So it doesn't have any losing weight as part of it. You may you may not, you know, it's really about the biggest piece to and the reason why I find it so connected with alcohol is the fundamental elements who it is growing your interoceptive awareness, which is understanding of what's happening in your body. And, as you know, so many of us women who have suppressed not only our emotions, our experiences of life through whatever coping mechanisms beat us, but have starved ourselves, and not allowed ourselves to eat when we're hungry. To the point where our body it doesn't know anymore. Like it doesn't know, it doesn't know when we're, especially for those of us who've had trauma, who are neurodivergent. You know, we really have to build up those muscles, again, of learning, you know, what our body actually needs and what it wants and when it wants. And it's almost like, first of all, you have to give it whatever it wants, until it's sick to the teeth of that it doesn't think it's in restriction anymore, you can still find like, I still can find myself it's like, oh, you know, I gotta be careful with the Tim's helmsman those two terms, whereas in reality, what needs to happen is I need to not be careful with the Tim terms so I can get to a place where I don't need to worry about being careful with tintypes. Because the only reason you need to be careful with something is if you've restricted it, so that you do want to just shove it in your face because you're, you're in starvation mode and, you know, it's, it's a restrictive thing, you're never going to you feel like it's never gonna, you're never gonna have the opportunity again. Now that can take a couple of years to get
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through. Yes,
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there's so much deep programming around, you know, good and bad foods. You know, what, when did we decide foods were good or bad? It's like, a morality and it's so that's why it's very aligned to me with alcohol works. It's like people like well, if you drink you're naughty, and if you don't drink then you're good. And the same with food. People use the same analogies, don't they? Oh, I was very naughty. My mom will say I had seven. I was on holiday. No, I'm gonna be really good. I'm gonna be really clear. I'll be
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Yeah, oh, you know what I'm thinking of is is iron what I first moved out of home having dessert before dinner, like just having dessert. Whereas that was just that is not done. And feeling like such a rebel. Yeah, going, I can have dessert anytime I want and you're here your mum you tea would be cooking and said Hey, Mom, I'm hungry. And she'd say have a piece of fruit or have a glass or a piece of fruit or have a glass of wine and you're like, No, I'm hungry. And it's all very well meaning you're not having to do that going well. No, doesn't matter that to have what you want. Yes.
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Yeah. And so the principles of intuitive eating a number one is part of it is body acceptance and body you know, if it's not love its body, you know, having respect and there is a meditative practices that go with intuitive eating that are about sort of really just acknowledging what your body does. for you every day and building that relationship with it, as well as this sort of intuitive intuitively, because I find I don't know if BJU now I am intuitive meeting, I will be really into something for a while, and then I'll go completely off it. Yeah, I'd be really into x. And then I'll be really into something else. I might be really interest our crowd for a bit. But it's because my book is what my book my body is wanting to eat the thing that it's craving, for whatever reason, it might be craving.
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But also, if we think too, that, you know, seasonal, yeah, that's, that's the way of the world it's the things and all if we can tune back into that, but because we can now get, you know, mangoes in July, when they're really meant to be here in December, we've, we've all of that's gone on a bit off kilter. That's
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it. It's so interesting, isn't it? It's like, and that getting back to basics with our gut, is really, really important, as we know, because of the gut brain piece. Especially if you're taking medication, which a lot of us do. Like it's really important that we keep our gut. So a lot again, intuitive eating for Neuro divergence, which you know, all women who've restrictively eaten it might be actually, you know what, you're going to have a piece of cheese, a grape, and a cracker in the morning, even if you're not hungry, because you know, then you've had some food and you're not going to suddenly get to that point where you're at starvation mode and you've forgotten to eat. And then you're like, oh, good stuff, everything in that I can get my hands on rather than just like, I'm just gonna eat with no sense of urgency and no sense of desperation. It's like that,
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or a classic, classic 1am you picking a fight with someone? Usually your significant other, and they're like gelling? Are you hungry? And you just picked a fight Are you hungry? Yeah.
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I think the other part with it that I love is as well as that. It's okay to eat for emotional reasons. It's like I'm eating because I'm sad. And I'm going to eat some ice cream. And it's like, you're not making that bad. It's okay just to eat for taste like I really want to taste that. It looks delicious. Yeah, and instead of having all this like morality and sort of like all notion eat when you remember what is it another great it's a great coping mechanism not you're gonna kill you to have some ice cream when you're feeling a bit sad and but let's be intentional about it. Let's know what it is. Let's know why we're doing it. And just build up that sort of gentleness with ourselves. Which is so much of this age, isn't it? So we're at this age, it's just be gentle with us as we don't need to be me.
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It's a great age. That's one thing you know, if I look back at you know, how I was in the past wage into law. And the self talk is most definitely softening. And you know, we we hear a lot in this body acceptance show, you get to body neutrality, but I like what you said body respect, your neutrality, respect, whatever you want to call it, but taking that energy away when that when the criticism comes in, try on a dress, and you go, Oh, I know that that did fit me this time last year. And now it's a little firmer, but that's okay. It's just my body. My body is in flux and flow. Yeah, it it's, it's always moving. It's it does expand and it does contract and it will change again. Whereas before, you know, that could take me out for the whole day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it will be completely down for the whole day. And going shopping will be another major concern by you know, either could start off bad or be the first few things I tried on I and I found something great, were okay. But if those first few things were terrible, I would want to go home. And I'm going home, I couldn't even handle it. So that is not being? I think
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so. And I think as well, you know, I hear it so much in our beautiful women in my world, you know, in the drinking post drinking world. And the next thing usually we stopped drinking and then we start going on, you know, how can I fix the rest of me as if we like this project to be fixed. And so many there's so many things what you were saying about age and about what we made that mean about ourselves and especially if we've come from a sort of perfectionist, upbringing, and often many of us have these being good girls being acceptable fitting in, you know, at the end of the day, I don't know about you, but for me, I look at my mum who was very much in diet culture, and I was brought up very much in Diet Coke. She, she wasn't doing what she was doing. Because she was, you know, uninformed, or she wanted to harm us or make us worried about our weight she was doing it was, you know, she was of how people in big bodies get treated by society. And so she kind of tried to instill her protector as almost a form of protection to a certain extent, to have that, you know, was and that's the other thing is like, they're just being kind to our families and that upbringing, the culture that we've come from, because it's evolving, right?
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It is evolving, and being much softer and not having all of those rules, thank goodness. And you're right, my mum was the same, but my mum purely did it to protect me, my mum would would throw money at anything that would help me be willing to size Yeah, and just to keep me safe, you know, whether it be you know, pre boarding meals, you know, exercise got whatever I needed, because she just wanted me to be happy and well, and not have that perceived battle where that is one thing I will say about the internet, now we can actually curate our feet, we can allow things into our feet. And I love to follow lots of beautiful women who are doing what there are, who are wonderful expressions in their own right, in all different shapes and sizes. And I think that's the one thing about social media that we actually can choose, yes, what we lead on to our feed. And if we're not, you know, take your power back. You don't you don't need to follow or watch or see those accounts if it doesn't make you feel good. That's
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right. That's right. And I love what you're doing here with this body revolution Summit, you know, introducing us all to some of these really interesting women who've got really exciting stories, they've got really, you know, sad stories as well and interesting stories and tips on how to, you know, how they work with their own self image and some of the humans that you've introduced to me through your work, I've started following and it's so refreshing. It's like, Ah, how lovely is that? And you just think oh, there's people like me on the
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fam a people's here's the truth is we all have a body story. We do we all have a body story. And I remember even chatting to a friend not so long ago and she was saying to me how and she's very in a smaller statue, a slender body by naturally and her saying, you know, it's in equal measure how you felt about being you know, my perceived bigger and curvy and feet thinking she's got no curve, and it's, it's this whole dance around this because we have grown up in 70s 80s, even early 90s seeing only one beauty standard. Yeah. Which thankfully, I believe our children are all now seeing a lot more. Yeah, a lot more diversity around that. Thank goodness.
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Yes, yes. And they call me out you know, often I'll think I'm pretty I think I'm pretty PC on a lot of it, but they're like No, ma'am. You can't say that. That's not okay. And I'm like, Okay, well, thank you. That's great. I didn't even think that they always
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they do they're onto us. That's me. I'm definitely learning and growing with this whole online summit and I spoke to I'm sure you have met Sonya who is through heb she's a stylist and she said today and I'd never looked at this way she was talking about styling and saying it's bringing on the inside out. So when you have styling and you dress in certain clothes the way you express yourself and I think often over the years how many times I've not worn something because I've thought Oh don't be too loud or bright or you know that's really not appropriate and not that it was anything that was just checking in and it's almost a bit like that intuitive eating principle where whatever you want go up the shops and the pink tutu if you want until you kind of a little bit at an angle No it's okay for me to be expressed. It's okay to express and that's that part of when you're in a body. I remember for a lot of years I just wore black. Yeah, because what we what we told him what we told about Sterling so don't wear anything else but black. For years I wore black because of that. And I'd walk in and I'd see something ago if you've got it in black. See now I hardly You ever wear black?
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No, you wear beautiful colors and your kindness and your colors shout your personality. It's like it's soft. It's beautiful. It's colorful. It's flowy. It's to me. That's Emma. She's like the gorgeous, soft, gentle, wise, floaty soul and that is, and that's how she she dresses. It's lovely. It's like a form of expression, isn't it?
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Yeah, it's that outside in. So it's even undoing all of those things that you don't even realize you're doing asking for things in black or navy blue, because it you know,
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I've always been a booty. Yeah, that was,
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how many of us in our 70s 80s 90s would have done that? Yes, so many of us? Because we heard that. Yeah. Is it even true?
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Sounds like madness to me. Now that you have a morning
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nap, I'm saying it out loud. Is it even true?
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I don't even know who thinks that way though. For me from a feminist perspective, it's like, we're trying to make ourselves smaller, not take up space be little don't, you know?
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Yeah, blending. First of all, don't get old people or judge you, you know, or don't get, you know, don't put on way or don't be, you know, don't be like everybody else. Just don't you know, you really. And that's the same with drinking so many people. reason people do this, why there's so much connection between August peer reason people don't stop drinking is because they don't want to be singled out as being different to everybody else. Even though they might not like it, it might they might be over it. But they don't want to stand out. They want to cause a fast. I don't want to cause I
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don't want to cause a fast and make
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a big deal about you. And to me,
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you know. And also if someone offers you a drink, it's polite. For feel uncomfortable, don't make them feel uncomfortable or saying Oh, actually, no, thank you. I'd rather Oh, well, why aren't you drinking? Well, why are you driving?
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Yeah, I did a post recently about giving people wine. And I was saying, you know, you don't know what's going on with the person. So maybe if it's an opportunity to buy something else for somebody for a present that might be and people went crazy about they're like, What do you mean? But I've known so many clients who can't say no, because they're too lovely. And so they ended up with a bottle of wine in their house that they didn't want. And then they're in their early stages of trying not to drink and then all of a sudden, they've poured themselves a great big wine because it was there and they couldn't say no, it's no reflection on them. It's like society isn't it's that it for women to you know, take up space to ask for what we need to put ourselves before it's a bit less big, brave stuff. Same with same with having the conversations that your Summit is, you know, big brave stuff, we're coming out, saying no, you know, we're gonna have a different conversation now. Yeah,
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we're gonna bring this to light and a lot of the stuff is in our own minds, but we've never actually got it. I just recorded a podcast earlier a solo podcast and I was talking about the impact my lack of body acceptance, how it's impacted my relationship and I have an incredibly beautiful husband and I am so grateful how gracious he is and how patient he has been with me over the years. I can count on or I can't even count on my hands how many times we've been walking on the beach and I've said to him and my bigger or smaller than her in Norco who you know who I'm talking about Nico? I actually don't say to him in that whatever and you guys are really are we playing this game? I don't want to play this game. And you know, he will never tell me because the truth is and he wouldn't get it right if he if he said he was never so he's a very smart man really. But I would want to do that and he'd go really like we're right here right now. And I would allow this to steal me from the present moment. Here we are on the beach having a beautiful time connecting as a as a husband the wife and here I am doing the comparison the and then wanting him to get him to validate me in a very unhealthy way unhelpful way and thankfully, he's very sweet and very gorgeous and always has been I think, Gosh, you need a middle sometimes man, the amount of picked a fight or whatever I've done, because I'm feeling such agitation in myself because I haven't been able to reconcile this part of me. And I think gosh, you know, that could That could have affected my relationship. Thankfully, he's such a good man. Because I've poked and prodded so many times. I feel like you know, there's been a lot of that comparison thing. And then you thinking about affecting relationships? How many times I would be invited to a social event? And the first thing I think it's not all who's going to be there, how wonderful. What am I going to wear? Yeah. And then potentially, going through my mind, can I attend that event? Have I got something to wear? And again, missing out on relationships, missing out on connection missing out on the time of your life? Because I'm too concerned about that. And, you know, you said to me the other day, and it was absolutely brilliant. And when you, I actually want you to say, Well, what do I need to remind you? Or do I'm gonna say it, you gotta go. When you said I was thinking about my friends, if I in a larger body, or they're in a larger
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body, yes, yes, yes.
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Yes, tell tell me. Basically,
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this was this was probably my biggest aha moment. And again, like I said to him, I've been doing this work for a really long time on myself and I get pulled back into, I very often still get pulled back into diet culture, I'm like, oh, I should really know maybe I should just, maybe this whole intuitive eating things, just not for me. You know, is when your brains get your body's going, I'm about to change, we're really starting to make some changes now. So we're just gonna come in and like really try and pull you right back to what
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I was saying to him, because my swimming has been such a wonderful thing. For me, the surf swimming group that I'm part of, it's a group of women that have probably 100 More than 100 groups a bit, you know, all different sizes, all different shapes started in COVID. And that's been a real leveler, you know, knowing that, you know, you get up the water, and everyone's there, and you're in your degi swimming costumes, it doesn't matter. Because you've had the most brilliant chat and you've been in nature, it's been stunning. No one cares. But I was, I was saying to him, I remember it was such a big aha moment for me walking out of the sea and seeing these two women probably about my age, maybe a little bit younger looking and they look wonderful. They were like those sort of like you know what you'd see in the swimming costume ads. And I remember just singing I'd had this beautiful watch the sunrise I've been swimming that was amazing. All of a sudden I was like, oh god if only I could lose everything I was just be so everything would be fine if I could just look and then I was like, so how many people do you know and this is me having a little chat to myself how many people do you know him who are in a bigger body like you know, a larger body than rather than a slimmer body? Like Well, probably a quarter maybe a third of the humans that I know at least I was like Do you like them any more or any less than that the humans that you know who are in a smaller frame? I was like I couldn't give and then I was like so what am I doing know what? What the hell and sometimes I still have to bring myself bring myself in a little bit because it will start or catch myself in a photo of it. And I have to bring it back because we're learning we're learning to do this. I just remember that feeling of nightclub which I love anybody any less because they're in a bigger or smaller body. No. So why am I being such an asshole why am i No one cares? No one else cares less. My husband is like kids love my robbery robbery bits. You know they love that they love a good squidge my my granny growing up was in a bigger body and I had another granny who was slimmer and you know what the sorry, slightly snug skinny bunny. But the cuddles from the My granny who was in a slightly more rounded body was so delicious. And I don't want to be the person or my grandchildren or like or I don't want to be the delicious cuddly person for them you know and just not to worry about that stuff. It's such a it takes away from it makes me sad doesn't know me sad. It makes me
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very sad how much I've just dissed myself when like you say and we don't those people in larger bodies small by and you don't even give it a second thought when it's someone you love and adore a friend or family member. It's just not even a thing.
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No more internal and then obviously they There is a lot of fat phobia,
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Let's not lie, there is a lot of fat phobia out there. And even people who I love, and generally would consider to be fairly progressive people can be, you know, have a lot of their own. You know, and I say this in the nicest way, and I'll talk about this more in the summit, but so many of us and it's similar with drinking, and we didn't we don't even realize that we're carrying this internalized fatphobia. We don't, it's like you were saying, we suddenly like, oh, I said that you realize that that was a done that might cause somebody a little bit of pain. I hadn't even thought about that, you know? Yeah.
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I've done that quite a few times in this summit. And thankfully, I've had some tremendous people who have been very gracious you, I had an early conversation saying, she just brought something to my attention, but very, so grateful for it. And it gets you thinking,
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because we're learning we're all learning, we're never gonna get it. Right. But that shouldn't stop us. Right? That's
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right, we're still able to talk about it and bring it out in the open because then it's, it's hard and it's dissolved. And it's talked about instead of, you know, the old mo of just torturing myself and then picking a fight and, and it coming out in all the wrong ways. Yeah,
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I just, I mean, the very idea of starving ourselves. You know, it's like, what the hell is going on in this world where that would be? You know, what, we're encouraged to do it never be too thin or too rich. Right? That's the saying. Yeah.
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Yeah. When we're when we're all when you know, when we're hungry. We're all just a pack of crazy cats running around on living on the edge. Because I agree. Which makes you crazy.
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Yeah, tell us I'm so pleased you're doing this. I was, you know, when I started seeing you heading I mean, you've always been you've we've always talked about these kinds of things. You may but you know that to see you and your work evolved into this because having been to your and you know, I love your your yoga, I love your meditation, I love your journaling. And I've seen you present your what's what's the what was the program? The catalyst?
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Yes, yeah,
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I've seen you present that I know the value that it brings. And I know what an amazing coach you are, and gentle soul. But to have someone as wonderful as you leading this for us. And there's so many other wonderful humans doing the same, but just in our small social group. We've got Emma, and she's giving us all a place to kind of, it's almost like a weird, it's like a women's circle. You know what I mean? Like, we get to come and share our shit. And everybody else is gonna be like, Oh, it's not just me. It's not just me.
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And it's an A in its in its across age, you know, I work with my EA is 23. Yeah. And she, of course, here's my podcasts. And, and, you know, here I am. 48. She's 23. And she goes, Oh, I do that. I understand that. And it just goes to show that it's still happening across. But if only we have heard that at 23. Yeah, I have helped. So it's wonderful that you know, this is a thing it's keep speaking and keep and like we say, and I potentially am going to trip up, I potentially am going to say something that was not the best choice to express it. And please forgive me, I'm learning to you know, isn't that right? And like you elegance in said, we are learning and that's the bit just giving us grace in the space too. I potentially am going to trip up, we're all going to trip up but it doesn't mean it stops us we just keep going and it needs to
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happen. You know our babies. I'm gonna get a personal, a very much but our babies we don't want our babies lives to be taken up in their baby's lives to be taken up with this bullshit that just does nothing. You know, it just takes away from our precious little souls and everything that we have to give to the world. We're spending our time worrying about you know, whether or not we're going to eat a peach like for goodness sake.
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Yes. Yeah, these ridiculous rules that we've put in place or wherever we've gathered that that exactly right. It takes our way from our preciousness from being present from being creative from connecting, because we're in this little loop cycle. Yeah. And I love how you also say in the bad even when you Stop drinking, how that took so much of your decision. I remember you sharing and saying, you know, you thinking about drinking, how much energy would go into that? Am I going to drink tonight tomorrow night? And if I drink, and all of that, and then you drink and then you feel, you know that whole that that different, it's safe.
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Yeah, it is. It's, it's, there's so many similarities to it. And again, you know, a lot of things like restrictive eating, binge eating. These are all coping mechanisms. Yeah. It's just our precious little souls, it's nothing. You know, we're just trying to find a way to manage the world that we live in, and our experience of it, and the more that we can, because it's like, we're trying to control everything, because we're, we're so afraid that someone's gonna judge us or they're gonna, we're just everything feels out of control, and we have no control or, you know, all the different reasons why you might be feeling very emotionally upset or especially when you're young and you don't have that much power, right? Like there's other people have so much more power than you feel like you do. And just the idea that it could be a little bit less for me, because I'm so silly at the moment
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for our children Yeah, that's
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children's children and their friends and it's just such a waste to be depressing about it because it's not depressing it's also enjoy doing it right. They're doing it
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by freeing like I would say am I'm feeling so much more free. I'm feeling really free in my swimmers.
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I lined up coming up on the beach, it was so beautiful. And all the same. I went down in my bikini the other day, I've never done that. I was like, Look at me, I don't give a shit I've got this was the easiest thing I had to handle. Everything else is wet. This is what we're wearing. No
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one cares not like literally. I'm just going Yeah, loud and proud in my talks. And again, it's back to that illusion and that we don't see. And this is all of that I think this is absolutely everybody. We actually don't see ourselves our eyes don't see what other scenesse and exactly your example of our friends in whatever body we love them no matter what. Yeah, it's just the body just to body to body.
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I'm so excited. I'm so excited about the summit. I can't wait. I'm going to put as many things out about it as I can so people can join it. And am your your make sure that you put for me it's like people who are watching this. Where do they go and find? Yes, so I put it in my link, link tree but what about for you so following you on
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Instagram and it's Emma underscore Walkinshaw just my name and Instagram and same thing in mine's in my your bio at the top you link in bio if you click that you'll be able to go and the summit is free. 15 incredible speakers. Emma is one of our speakers 15 incredible speakers and it's free. So come along there eat there is a VIP pass if you want to by the end, then you'll have 12 months access and you don't have to wait for them to be released. Otherwise, it's free. Come and listen to all these speakers on all different topics. But all related to body love body acceptance, acceptance. There's some wonderful tips and tools and a lot of sharing. And that beautiful, you know, coming to that place and understanding we're all in this together.
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That's it. It's time so it's so similar. Yeah. Thank you my treasure. And thank you for asking me You're so delighted. I was like, Oh, cool. Thank you so much. I'm very excited. And I can't wait to listen to all the other women as well. I think that's going to be like for me on walks the whole time. So what's the dates again, so
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it will be released so everyone can go register now. Yeah, I'll have your email address. And then during the 12th and the 15th of February, there'll be three videos dropped today. Our day so early morning, mid and the evening. And I know that's a lot to watch in those four days but then you'll have the weekend to watch them. And then part of the next week and then if you want to buy the VIP and have access for 12 months you will clever Thank you I am Thank you beautiful. I adore you my love Thank you dear friend and we will talk soon. Talk
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very soon. And look we did this on stream yard and we're on Facebook and Instagram right Goodness me what interesting stories
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Thank you and thanks everybody
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take care lots of love
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bye bye
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