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Today with the incredible oil and oil that Johnson Wow, that's good. And I'm so sorry. I think I've been spelling your name wrong.
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All right, shall we? Should we share video? Is that what I do?
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You're hit. You're on your lapel Good. Perfect. Here, we can see you. And it's looking lovely there. I was just commenting on the tidiness, events. How? Welcome, everybody. Happy to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm so excited to be here with Anne. She is such a hero of mine. When I stopped drinking in January 2020, I filled my brain with podcasts and books and, and was one of the the, the OGS of our movements that I care so passionately about. I like to think of her as the godmother of this work. And particularly what I love about Anthrocon I'll get her to introduce herself to you in a second is that she speaks particularly about how alcohol affects women. And why drinking for women is different and why we need to be really aware of what's happening to us how we're being manipulated, and the actual real truth of how actually dangerous alcohol is as a substance for human beings. And would you be kind of nice to introduce your staff to this beautiful audience.
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Oh, I'm so happy to be with you. And you just saw a starfish that makes you extra special. This volume a little bit just so that make sure I can hear everybody. There we go. Hear You. Amanda Andy Johnston, and I'm the author of the best selling book drink the intimate relationship between women and alcohol, which came out 10 years ago. And it was very different world when that book came out. A Carolyn naps drinking a love story was out. But other than that, I broke this story on the pinking of the market. So I'm now a psychotherapist, I teach a writing workshop called Writing your recovery through women. And I've had people from Down Under. I have people, women from all over the world. And I'm very grateful to be here and to be extending the discussion with you today, Emma, because it's such a valuable discussion. And as we were just saying, I think maybe it's finally getting the attention it deserves. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's, that's it. And I it's interesting. I've been revisiting Anna's work in this week leading up to her coming on the Live, which we're going to make into a podcast as well. And just, I was sharing with her how frustrating it is for me that it's so it still is still all considered an innocuous substance. And it's still we're still being manipulated to the level that we are by big alcohol companies. And of course, it was like very like Zen about it, or it's like it's coming in. And I'm like, Oh my goodness. I don't know how it like it makes me want to explode. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's really nasty. Yeah, no, I think. I think the one thing I want to say is that my beautiful mother was deeply addicted to alcohol for her whole life. She died at 84. She never gave it up. And it was a so called Secret. Of course, it wasn't a secret but I was determined with this book, to out my drinking and to make it if possible, okay to talk about what was going on. And we it was fun. Me I just I talked to someone who worked with me during those years when I was still drinking. I talked to her Today and she said you were a great boss. And I think how could I have been a great boss I was I was really not in good shape. But I think that it's time we talked about it. It's just time we talked about it, to make it comfortable to share. And I know we're going to talk about what's wrong with this world. But what's right with this world is that we are beginning to share the story. Yeah.
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That's so true. And you're absolutely right. It is a positive story. And it is amazing that even in the short period of time, since I've stopped drinking, it's like, it's beyond Billy. But it I know, for me, and I'm sure you have the similar things with your clients. But one of the things that breaks my heart the most, is the amount of humans who think that they're to blame, they're at fault. They're the problem. And that gaslighting is so entrenched in our community and our civilization in our environment. And it's keeping us stuck. And so you've caught you came out in 2013, and started talking about it, which was so great. It was so much worse. And people were even more horrible than me and judgmental. And I honestly stream. Yeah. Because it's not easy. Not easy. Oh, you're on a precipice and say, Hey, I'm doing.
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Yeah, I want to give a minutes credit to my 84 year old mother who said, you can tell my story. And she died brokenhearted that it was I mean, she met you can share it. But I don't think she knew what that would feel like when she read it. And we, we were very close at the end. But I know it was hard for her and the shame involved. I work with my clients and said we must have a shame free zone. Because with shame you're, you're just claps Yeah.
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It's such a you speak to I mean, we speak to anybody and
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anybody who drinks will tell you the shame that they feel in the morning they are. That's like one of the universal things even for people who don't really drink very much. Even for people who drink at all. It's still like, oh, that's the one thing that gets me like I you know, and that beating ourselves up for not being able to drink just two glasses of wine that society determines is the amount that we're allowed. That's acceptable. Right? I just think for you talking about your mum, I mean, even for me, I remember when I started this journey, having to say to my mom, my mom's gonna put some stuff out here. And I don't want you to make it mean anything about you. But I have to do this because it's really important for my story, and my journey that I can share things that have happened in my life. And it's really important that you know, that I don't know, people always think when we start talking about the negative things that happened in our childhood, or things that hurt us in our childhood that we're blaming the people who are that's not the case. No,
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no, no, it's very complicated. It's very complicated and very complex for our parents. Mother to I understand, I understand. Yeah, totally.
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Totally. And even just speaking to beautiful humans and me trying you know, sometimes the judgment that comes from other people is so hurtful sometimes and it might not be about our could it could be about anything could be about the way you raise a kid it could be you know, the state of your house.
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I just laughed at you. Thank you. My house is tidy. I know how to I know how to aim the camera.
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Yeah, very wise. Mine is always aimed upwards. are
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very wise. You might get
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double chin but you won't get Yeah. new floor. No,
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no, no, no, no, very, very wise.
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Ah, yes, tidy desk
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tidy desks are are not betray and very uncluttered mind.
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Very true. That's a dream of mine to have an uncluttered space one day.
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It's Tuesday. work.
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Ah, thank you for saying that.
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That's it, you have to choose their battles.
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Right? That's exactly why it's so hard when you're trying to do everything. And that brings us to an end. I'd love you to talk a little bit about this because I remember you saying in your TED talk about alcohol being steroids for the modern. Could you talk a little bit about what you meant by that?
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Yes. So I said that alcohol, I think it's the most important sentence in other than booze is a loan shark, which is the beginning of the book. But I think that line and and the line alcohol is the modern woman's steroid enabling her to do the heavy lifting involved in the modern world. And what I meant by that is that we are now 70 or 80 years into a social revolution. That, you know, we've heard a lot about the second shift for women, I think there are four shifts, I don't think there's two shifts, I think there's four, there's getting people off to school, they're young people, there's going to work, there's coming home and cooking, and getting children to bed. And then there is often going back to work, answering emails, and the world has evolved. That way we go toe to toe with men in the workplace, we go to outpace men in colleges and universities, in terms of enrollment, but we have not figured this out the emotional bandwidth needed to be a modern woman running a household working hard. With the cost of living the way it is means that it's the instant decompression tool, have a drink your shoulders come down. Jake, my partner for 14 years used to say and it was true that sometimes I opened the fridge for a bottle of wine before I'd even taken my coat off after I worked at a busy news magazine in Canada. And it was shocking for me to hear that I said, Do I really said yes you do. You open the fridge before you take your coat off. And because I would be going straight to the chopping board making dinner. And I just think it's been sold as a reward. Yeah. And then we like men can have the reward. And we can get into the complexity of why it's that much more dangerous for us to drink. But I mean, and the numbers are not just to health, but puts us at risk for violence and risk for being raped and all sorts of other issues without fear mongering, but I don't need to connect the dots on that. But it's so easy. It's so easy. And it's so popular. And it is not different in a way from Mommy's Little Helper where my mother, oh, had had Valium, as her generation did with cocktails like Betty Ford's generation. That was my mom's and it is Mommy's Little Helper for us. In other words, we haven't evolved. In fact, we've gone on way down the rabbit hole, and and it's getting worse. And we have young women getting liver transplants or needing liver transplants. And end stage liver disease showed up in England in when I wrote my book for young women in their 20s It's scary. Yeah.
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Yeah, it was scary.
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And finally, I'll just say that, you know, young women out pace in North America, young man in terms of presentation and emergency rooms, for alcohol related issues. And so it's going in the wrong direction.
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100% and I was just I've been talking in my spaces recently about I just saw an advert by a whiskey company called Glenlivet and they work that that advertisement was horrendous. It was totally you know, how you said in your TED talk, it's like, and they find a whole new market share. It's a whole other agenda, and I'm like, the same as Glenlivet and they're going after ethnic minorities, LGBTQ plus and women are risky, like, so. Calculated, so patronizing. And so, and everyone's freaking out. Oh, yes. That's what breaks my heart.
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It's so normalized. It's like the wallpaper. We just don't see that it's, we're being hoodwinked and hoodwinked from a very young age. And people will say, Well, I'm not I don't really see the ads. But you see movies, you see television, you see mainstream stream, all sorts of things and alcohol is ever present. It's the way we do relax, reward and celebrate in our culture's in the West. And we've seen my book was pitched at the narrowing gender gap that was then narrowing gender gap 10 years ago. And then gender gap is is much more narrow now. Well, that's a good news AMA. There's true, there's you talking about it. There are more people talking about it. And modern recovery is a thing. That things are happening, but bad things are also really happening.
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Yeah, and it's still it's still really difficult for people to stand up and be truthful about not only what's happening for them, but also what's happening in society around it. It's really difficult, because there's so much stigma still, isn't there around drinking, and I think you're what you were saying about coming home and opening the fridge. That was 100%. Me. 100. Yeah. And most of the people I work with say, the reason they drink is literally their neck, because we've set the mirrors exactly what you're saying about the chopping board. They're having to make this school dinners. They're completely exhausted anyway, because like you say, they've done a really long day. They've been very good. I know they've gone to school, and then they've been frowned at by believing. Obviously, I
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know. I know. That
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all the stress of that. And then, you know, the continuous your perfectionism as well. Now you know what everybody else is able to appears to be able to achieve? Yes,
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Emma legs, let's look at how we began our conversation. My ID. My house is my friends will be laughing they will if they ever see this. chuckling I am the messiest person I know. And I've come at 70 I'm 70 now I've come to accept it my book because my my house is full of books. I it's full of paper, full of speeches, trying to find speeches morning, full of all sorts of things. I'm having family tomorrow, and they know. But life is also choices. It's choices, and I have a full life, going back to school at 65. And you can't
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do it all because it's impossible.
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And there's a myth, that myth that the other person's got it somehow got the manual to being sin to being pretty to staying young and being tidy. Right.
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It's almost as it's almost as much of a coping mechanism as alcohol to a certain extent. Like my mom and my grandma. Were just tedious to do nervous breakdown. Around. Yeah.
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Even when to drink.
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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It reminds me of, um, and that's what I bought into my world. So I'd like you say at there came a point where I was really struggling, and I stopped drinking and my kids started to have higher needs. And I suddenly realized I just can't do this, I'm just gonna have to let this go. And when I did, it was really confronting and it still is for the same reasons that it's an issue with the you know, some of the issues that we have with alcohol where people feel that they can comment and say things because society deems that we should have a nice, tidy house and I've had people literally coming around to our house going, you have this quite confronting, not confronting, Oh,
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yes. I talk about it in therapy. Don't worry. I call it walking on cashmere. Because I don't, I don't hang out my clothes. At the end of the evening. I'm too tired. I've done a long day of work and often taught at night and I'm too tired. And I step out of bed and my therapist laughs because I call it Washington Kashmir.
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Tell me what that means. What that means to you. Well,
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I kick off a cashmere sweater. I'm here in Canada. It's called take off a cashmere sweater. A nice sweater. And I find myself in the morning with my bare feet on the sweater. And I think, and I think this is hysterical. But it you know, this is just a I've life is choices. And this is a choice I've made.
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Yes. And I love that you say, this is so important to me. And it's making me feel teary. Because letting go of this ship, it's actually part of the work. And as long as we're holding on to all this shit that we have to do all this stuff, it's really hard. Stop drinking, because the pressure we're putting on ourselves. Really, really, really, really, really intense. Yes.
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Yes, it is. It is. time we had solidarity with one another. Yeah. And, you know, I was a young mother in the era of Martha Stewart, which said, you know, on your on on in late November, you clean the chandeliers for Christmas. And I read this and remember a single mother, or, you know, in a divorce situation, and I'm to clean my chandeliers, some are you kidding me? full time job, journalist, little boy, who I replaced? Well, I'm very proud of how we raised him. But you know, he's very tidy. I will tell you he's very tidy. He's responded in his own way. And I'm not. No change the world are tied to your house.
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Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And it's just too hard, isn't it when we're so exhausted to make good decisions, like make decisions that work for us? Because our brains in charge, right.
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I like I have to compliment you, you have the most humane way of speaking to another human being. It's really beautiful. Even in your even in your Instagram that you posted before we started you talked about, you know, having gone for a swim and seeing a starfish. And you know, it's just as well. I mean, we're sold a lot of baloney, a lot of baloney. Trying to fix ourselves for so many years, so many years. And what I can tell you, it's seven years it doesn't change. You know, I was logging into diet stuff last year, I thought this is crazy. I'm 69 I
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hate it, you know, crazy. Another journey. That's another part of the journey, isn't it? It's like, there's just so many things that we're told that we I
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think, though, I think they're connected, because I think it's perfectionism. I think illness is perfectionism. And the notion that the other person has it right? And if you've just had that beautiful glass and I glamorize romanticized my white wine, if I just had it in the beautiful glass, yeah. And at this moment, it would be fine. And it was never fine. And it grew increasingly not fine. Especially when fine was I used to say people used to say, are you alright? And I'd say I'm fine. And was because it was only syllable I could get out. More complicated word. I was probably going to slur.
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Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting question. How are you? I love when people ask you, how are you? And you know, they really don't want to know. How many of you like, Okay.
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Someone told me last week and said, I couldn't answer the question. So here, and she wrote me four paragraphs, and I'm so grateful.
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Really answered your question. Yeah. I sometimes find that when I go swimming with swimming friends, and we were like, and some, somebody reaches in and gives you a big proper hug. And you like, you know, that you're actually held, you know, that somebody actually really does care that you are different
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and makes up all the difference. So what we're really talking about is that wonderful line, which isn't mine, of course, which is the opposite of addiction is connection. And I think it's not just perfectionism but being cut off from others. So we're working hard and we're working around the clock and we are lonely. We drink. Well.
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Yeah, 100% but lonely we drink. And we're also usually making ourselves bad. Like, for me, because I was an ADHD go undiagnosed, I would work three times as hard as everybody else just to look like I was.
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Right. So
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I'd be there to like, the ideas, right? Just trying to look like I know. If my husband is mad at me and my kids being pissed off with me, and nobody was happy with my it's so hard. And
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then then it's easy to drink. So comforting. Originally very comforting. And I think in this dialog, we often forget, it's fine. It suits it does. It works to it doesn't work. And when it does work is a disaster. Yeah, yeah.
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It's an interesting one, isn't it? Because I look back on all of the things now in retrospect, I had fun, I wouldn't change it for the world. But when I look back at it, I was continuously abandoning my actual human. Like, I wasn't that person, the person I was pretending to be. That was my mask my chameleon, the person I, you know, gradually from sort of very young age, and I'm sure you're probably the same I think most humans are, you know, we put on these personas. And I was like, I I know you are an extrovert. I'm an introvert. But I put on that, you know, extrovert persona. And, and, and, and I had fun because, you know, I used to love during today's events, parties and media, things I didn't really, like now I know, I didn't really enjoy them all. I was drinking to enjoy them. That was how it became fun. That was how I made it fun. And I always remember someone saying to me, one of our community said, you know, if you have to drink to enjoy it, is it really fun? And that was when I when I look back on my life, the things I thought that I loved. Yes. I didn't want to do when I stopped drinking.
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Right? Right. It's um, I think when we stopped drinking me, I discovered I was not as extroverted for the same reasons that you're saying. We discovered the real self and other a lot of people go back to our real self. And I think we I think we pick and choose cherry cherry pick the parts of ourselves we like, and the parts of ourselves. We don't. And we get to reshape and make conscious choices about how we want to live.
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Tell me a little bit about that for you. And if you're if you're open to that, I'm very interested. Well,
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I think I was able to write drink, which, you know, I had shoehorned myself, I, I was a workaholic, long before I was an alcoholic, and I, I won awards at work, didn't miss work and yet drank. And I was able to understand when I went to rehab that the best thing I could do was not work for two years, I worked but I just did some freelance editing, and I was quiet. I was very, very quiet. And I had to go back to the drawing board and say, I'm 52, who was I really wanting to be and what I really wanted to do was to write a 14 part series on women and alcohol, which I did in Canada's biggest newspaper, I went to a big fellowship, and then that was the core of drink. And so I really wanted to be a writer, I didn't want to be an editor of fancy magazine, I want to be a writer, and talk about the one thing I always knew was my story, which is women and alcohol. And I really wanted that badly. And I did it. And then I did the TEDx talk. And I felt a big thing was accomplished for me. Why I was put on this earth knew from the time I was a little girl when I was 10 or 11. It was my story because I was vigilant and quiet and shy, and watched my mother disappear on me. And I was the eldest of three and my father was always in Australia because he was in mining. And so he was always in another on another continent or Africa. Yeah, yeah. And so it was very lonely, my mother drinking and and us, fending for ourselves in a way or more importantly, losing her watching her disappear. And we do disappear. We disappear terribly the way you're talking about and other ways. So I, and I mean, I will go farther, we're lucky if we don't die, I quit because I knew I was going to trip and fall down some stairs or do something really boring like that. Nothing glamorous, but but I would die. And I, I think that so we make choices going back to school came because I wrote drink, and so many people were writing me and saying, Can you help me? I finally thought I'd like to work with people one on one. And now I'm ready to write another book. And it will be about it will be about women and alcohol again, but more person lucky. I can't wait. Thank you for more personal than than the last one.
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Yeah. It's that vulnerability that that that getting personal is such a risk for us. It's so interesting. Like, just even what you know, working with humans, because of this shame and stigma around alcohol is so much. And I totally get it right why people are so you know, even getting testimonials from clients, as a person who works in alcohol can be really hard because people don't want to their name to be associated with having struggled with alcohol because of the stigma, right? And so the more that amazing humans like brave humans, like you can come out and do what you're doing, and continue to do that. Inspiration gives us all permission to do the same way.
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Yeah, we just hold hands. I think another really key thing about women and I was no different is that women commonly drink along, ultimately, and they make a ritual of it. Men tend to go through a bar, maybe a different part than they used to go to. But they're buddies when they drink, but we tend to have so much shame that we isolate, we may go to book club and drink what everybody else does. And then we go home, open a bottle, all right, and open a bottle of wine and have my secret drink and or drinks. And it's a very shaming thing, as we've said, and I just think my recovery is fantastic, in fact that there are coaches and there are people to talk to because when I first started and I'm not putting a down i i was in 12 step for a long time, but I got sober that way. But you know, you went down the basement stairs to the basement of a church coffee, and remember to I'm not putting it down at all at all got me sober.
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Thank goodness for it.
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Yeah, I'm Thank goodness. But I am saying I am glad there is the luckiest club which I'm involved in. I'm glad they're fantastic. I love that they're their coaches in their groups. And there are the we're going to talk about it.
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Why it's getting so much better. But the shame, like you saying women drinking on their own, that was 100% Mine. Like if somebody could say to me, what would you like to do is your most perfect thing. I would say, I'd like a hotel room where I can smoke and drink, please. And no other sucker. That's so there you go. Because it's about alone time and I find that don't you with women that that I have so many women saying, I I can be with everybody and drink and it feels like I'm getting some space. It feels like I'm getting some alone time even though I'm not right.
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Yeah, it's um, you know, someone was asking me what the first month is like, and I'm 15 and a half years sober almost. And I was thinking I almost don't remember. But I do remember my friends. Helping me rallying around me and being thoughtful. Not drinking in front of me at the beginning.
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It's nice to win. I know a lot of people don't have that. I was very lucky. I said to my friends. I've been struggling with this for a while. And so everybody knew I was it. He was like, yes. Funny. And so most of my good friends, like a few of them were a bit like, but most of them were like, Ah, okay, this is great. Let's do this. You do this, and some of them even did like, I think I started in January. I think some of them did like, January with me. I know, right? Yeah. I was lucky. I've been very lucky. I've had very kind humans. I often do think, though, my experience has been that generally, we think people are going to react much worse than they do. It's generally not as bad as we think it is, in terms of humans, and how they react to us not drinking is more in our way. Yeah.
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I think the best, the best thing is just turning. Everybody loves that. As you were saying, How are you question? And if you just play journalist and have something in your hand, you're fine. Listen,
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listen. And it actually allows you to develop those conversations skills doesn't net which we don't learn when we're drinking, because we like, kind of getting into that sort of inebriated state. But when you actually have to ask people questions and have a proper conversation with somebody and be it can actually, it's quite a lovely experience as well as you learn those.
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I know well, yes. It's it's radical. As a radical thing, and I ended up I remember being in one of those situations, being the only person not drinking I thought and then women said, Did you write that book? You know, and, and I said, Yes. And she said, You're the reason I don't think, um, and that what else do you need? Oh, no. That's it like and I I don't I'm no prohibitionist? Of course not. No. I love I love Theresa. I'm not a pro business, but for me, I can't. Yeah,
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well, for me, I'm more like, I have no issue with other people drinking. I just don't want us to pretend that it's harmless. And that people are the problem. It's me it's that drink responsibly gaslighting thing that really gets my goat. Yeah, and if I can do everything about showing what a big pile of pants that is, if I if my life during that I'll be happy that I've achieved it.
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Yeah. Well, it is an addictive substance.
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It's an addictive substance. So it's like Go ahead, drink if you want, I don't care. I could care less whether people drink most of my friends drink. I eat too many chocolates but we will do our own thing but let's not pretend it's harmless. Let's not pretend because that's what makes the stigma a responsible thing is what makes people who associate themselves
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I know and and there was such a notion that it was good for our hearts and reblog was good for your heart and and this was actually I was speaking to a friend whose father was a cardiologist who actually used to say to her drink your red wine it'll be good for you. Yeah,
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well I came across a lady in another social space very consciously drinking she doesn't drink other than this a glass of red wine and evening to keep her estrogen levels up. But I'm a bit but these are humans women just trying to we try to do the right thing. But the information so right okay.
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I know we were sold sold a bill of goods and it was like vitamin D or you know, dark chocolate. Good for you.
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Exactly. So and I just adored speaking to you muted was mind blowing beginning to my Sunday. It's been really just overwhelmed by how wonderful it's been. And would you have advice for people what would what would you what would you like to share? What would be your thing that out you most in that you find helps women most in changing their relationship with alcohol to whatever relationship that is to however they want it to be? What? Well? Yeah.
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It's the simplest thing, but I'll say two things. Number one, when you go to an event is I'm going to in an hour because it's, you know, almost evening here. Always take what you want to drink. Always bring your own alcohol and have your own writing, because you need freedom. Number one, number two, as corny as it sounds, there's lots of science. Get up in the morning, pour your coffee or tea, and five things you're grateful for. Number five, always being, whatever your relationship is with alcohol itself. But make tomorrow different than today. And there's so much evidence that that is scientific evidence that that changes the way we look at the world. And I think resentment is a huge, huge shatter. And so I think if you can get keep your human heart large as yours is, your heart as gorgeous as your heart is. And you can remain that way so that, you know, we enjoy this short time we have on the earth. Don't worry about about a messy house. Really. Don't worry about the messy, you are loved. You are loved. You are alive. Surround yourself with people who love you look for love in all the places mine is my granddaughter right now. She's two. And always be your own drive and take your own drink. Those were really my pieces of advice.
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I love that. You're amazing. Yeah. I can't wait that you've got another book coming out.
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Thank you.
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And are you still doing your writing course? Because I definitely want to do that.
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Yes, yes. Yes. starts April 24. And two timeframes. And the evening one works for people and Australian New Zealand. Yeah. And and then there's the other one that North Americans in Europe does.
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And that sounds amazing. Is there anything else? And because I know that you've got have you? You you've been doing stuff with Veronica as well. Is there anything else that you want to share on? Yeah, yeah,
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we're launching on the inner circle on April the 20th, which is this coming Tuesday. We're launching a five month program for a group of women too, really share and learn how to reshape their relationship with alcohol. And I think it's going to be very exciting. Still time to enroll if you're interested. It's called the inner circle. And that's with Veronica Valley. And his amazing.
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Veronica I love her book say before it's like she started talking when she was talking on she did a podcast with Laura, Macau. And when she was talking about emotional sobriety, and my brain just went, Oh,
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yeah, hallelujah.
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You're my read. It was so amazing. So yes, goodness me couldn't imagine being with two more competent and capable humans on a journey.
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what a what a wonderful experience you're having by? Oh, I bet you that you are. Is there anything else that you'd like to share in?
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Just gratitude for you? Oh, thank you, gratitude that we're talking about this gratitude that that I'm not being self serving that my TEDx talk has, you know, 1.4 million views because that means 1.4 million people have got the message about how big alcohol targeted women and men, as say, and so it's, um, I'm grateful for that. I'm
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so grateful that you did it. Angel. Thank you have a wonderful evening this evening. Thank you so much for coming and being with us. Thank you, Emma. Take care. Bye.
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