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Welcome to this week's episode of midlife A F and what a treat I have in store for you. I've got Leanne Tran. She's amazing. She's a child psychologist. And we have a really, really good chat about parenting, parenting kids neurodivergent neurotypical compliance behavior, and how that sometimes shows up for us as adults. I'm going to hand over to us now it's a really good conversation Leanne and I if you're a woman in midlife, his intuition is telling you that giving booze the elbow might be the next right move. Their midlife AF is the podcast for you. Join counselor psychotherapist, this naked mind and gray area drinking alcohol coach Emma Gilmore for a weekly natter about parenting quirky teens, menopause relationships and navigating this thing called midlife alcohol free. If you're feeling that life could be so much more that you're sick and tired of doing all the things for everyone else. If your intuition is waving her arms manically as you say, it could all be so much easier if we didn't have to keep drinking. Come with me. Together we'll find our groove without booze.
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I lovingly acknowledge the boomerang people of the Kulin nation as a custodians of current Baroque. I share my admiration for the Aboriginal culture, I witnessed the connection that they have for each other and the land and their community. As I swim in the waters and walk on the land, I feel the power of this place. I'm grateful for the Aboriginal people's amazing custodianship, the power, beauty and the healing potential of this place. I wish to pay special respects to the elders of the Buena, wrong people. Their wisdom, guidance and support are exceptional, and felt well beyond the Aboriginal community. I honor that this is Aboriginal land, and that it has never been ceded. I am committed to listening to the Aboriginal community, and learning how I can be an active ally in their journey to justice. So welcome. Yeah, thank you. Hello, everybody who's joining us as well as to see you. Thank you for coming. So this is the and the end, I met through a mastermind group that we're postbase part of. And Dan came on my I came on Dan's podcast, which was really cool. And thank you so much for having me. And I really wanted to invite Leanne because I follow her on social media, very aware of her work. And she speaks so much sense and feels to me like a very neuro firming human. Who I would I feel safe. When I talk to Leanne, like she feels to me like she gets it. And so I wondered, I wanted to bring her on to talk because I was saying before you when you were just frozen a little minute ago, that you work with children primarily, but also sometimes with their parents, because you're working with children and that you, you have a lot of kids who are neurodivergent in your practice. And so I'm going to hand over to you, Leanne, because you will introduce yourself so much better than I ever would. Would you be kind enough to introduce yourself to or watches
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you Yeah, firstly, just wanted to say thank you, though, for saying that you feel like I'm affirming and a safe person to be with because I always keep that in mind. But I'm never 100% Sure as I'm probably neurotypical myself, so it feels really lovely to hear about. So I am a psychologist by trade, I guess you would say, I've worked with families and children for a long time, probably almost 20 years. And partly that's been with, it's always been with people with disabilities. And now neuro types as well. So, back in the day, I work with children with cerebral palsy. And I've worked in Disability Services in the government with people with a range of different challenges. And I think I'm always drawn to helping people who aren't necessarily seen as well as other people are. So now I have a private practice in Brisbane where I work with my husband, who's a pediatrician, and see lots of kids and teenagers but as part of that, like you mentioned, it's always working with parents as well because As kids are, you know, within their family system, they're the ones who probably have the least potential to change things. It's often adults who can change things a lot more quickly. And, and so I'm recognizing to that since COVID, particularly there's, and maybe since the NDIS started, really recognizing how many people in the community needed need support, that we just kind of don't have enough services to be able to meet the need in the community. So I'm, I'm creating all online kind of education programs for parents, so they know what they need to know in order to be able to support their kids on their own at home. Yeah.
Unknown 5:50
That sounds amazing. Such an amazing resource, and so very needed. I
Unknown 5:56
think so because so many times as well, like my first, the next, the course that's launching in April is for supporting teenagers with ADHD. And I find it so common that parents will come to me and say, their child has a diagnosis of ADHD, but they don't know what that means or what they're meant to do. And so somewhere in them in the mix of this interface with the, you know, medical or psychology community, they're missing that key information. Yeah, so it's my, I didn't want to be a teacher back in high school. And I think maybe this is my way of doing a bit of teaching as well, when there's perhaps such a
Unknown 6:41
needed resource as a as a mom of two ADHD as an ADHD mom of two ADHD, ADHD, we're both ADHD and autistic. It's, you know, you go to see a psychologist, you go to see your allied health professionals. But it's like, what do you do in the meantime? How do you help your people survive and thrive and be able to kind of create structures and systems and ways of being that are going to make life not seem so? Difficult? Yeah,
Unknown 7:21
exactly. Yep.
Unknown 7:25
Would you be kind enough to talk us through kind of how you ended up doing what you're doing? And how our conversation today? Yeah,
Unknown 7:35
sure. Well, I think, because a lot of what you do is helping people with with drinking, booze, alcohol, all the words for it, I started out. First, my first placement, I guess, after finishing my degree was in a rehab center. Yeah, a residential rehab center. So working with people with addictions to a range of different things. And I really enjoyed that. Because it was like, people were living there. So there was lots of opportunity to connect with people and hear their stories and, you know, form relationships. Whereas in psychology, it's often that in for an hour out for an hour kind of thing, and it's not as easy. And then from there, from that experience, got an opportunity and offered a job to do those programs, but in a in prisons. And so, yeah, it was in men's and when women's prisons across Brisbane, yeah. And again, was great, because it was a long term program. So you got to know people over six weeks or so. But I had this real sense that there was just there would be just so much more opportunity, if I could help people earlier on in their experience before. Yeah, before, all of the challenges that life throws at, you kind of add on top of each other. And then at that point, we were kind of working on peeling back layer at a time. But what really drew me then to working with children is thinking what if we can I can start at the beginning at that first layer, and trying to prevent a lot of these traumatic experiences really, that lots of these people have lived through? Exactly.
Unknown 9:31
And it's so interesting, isn't it? Because they say, I'm sure you know, the stats more than I do, but from the population of the prison population and, and I know from an addiction perspective, as well. Of neurodivergent humans is is incredibly high. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Which is not to say neuro divergent humans are criminals, but Let's just say the system is set up so that it makes it very, very difficult for neurodivergent. humans to live. It's really hard to live in the world as a neurodivergent. Human. Yeah, yes. Not set up for us. No.
Unknown 10:22
And there are risks that go along with being neurodiverse as well, that mean that people are more likely to experience traumatic things. That's right. Sometimes, I think I was telling you before I was at a conference on the weekend listening to an autistic ADHD or who is a psychologist as well talking about, you know, how to help people in therapy and talking about how, you know, people neurodivergent people are more likely to be sexually assaulted threat to sorry, I should say this, probably there's some of this is triggering, right? It's hard to hear. But more likely to also be in relationships that are really just not very positive. And in my experience of, you know, being doing the drug and alcohol kind of rehab programs, it's the alcohol and drugs are always well, yeah, they're always trying to kind of address some kind of trauma and uncomfortable difficulty that people are going through. So that's always secondary to their, you know, real initial struggles. Yeah,
Unknown 11:45
exactly. It's like the, the alcohol. The behavior is the symptom, right? Not the problem.
Unknown 11:54
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think because like a majority of those people were in prison related to those drug dependencies and alcohol just linseeds. Because those are the types of things that lead to crime and stuff. So yeah. So I had this real sense, I guess, of going back and trying to work with the next generation of kids before though those traumas were experienced. And that's my goal. So huge.
Unknown 12:22
And I was talking to Leanne, before we came on just saying how it, you know, and all of the women that I work with would know, would would not find me this surprising thing for me to say that we, the way that we're treated and the way that we experience life as children, impacts how we experience life as adults, so intensely so incredibly, like we're all basically just walking around as big babies. Yeah. Who, yeah, who's like, our way of seeing the world is completely recall, it's like, it's a lens through which we see the world is how our childhood was. And I was saying to Leanne, and if, if there is a way that you know, like, I'm so proud of our young people, like the young people at the moment coming up, because they, you know, they have said no, where my generation had to be compliant. And the impact that that's had on my generation, we were like, Oh, well, it was all right. In my day, I'm like, Look at us. We're all addicted to alcohol. It didn't work that well.
Unknown 13:41
And it's to the point where it's very much like a nationwide thing, isn't it? That drinking we all just, you know, yeah. Feeling sad. Have a beer. Yeah, very common.
Unknown 13:54
escape your emotions, escape your emotions escape your emotion. Yes. Don't feel. Yeah.
Unknown 14:00
I think I don't know. I mean, I don't, I'm assuming we're from the same kind of generation, given the fact that you had to teach me how to do Instagram Live. But yeah, I relate to that there was that definite idea of what particularly as women we should be, and it's incredibly erotic. It's like from a very young age, we're kind of it molds every step of our development that we take teaches us to either push the feelings down or that you know, we're wrong for having them and very much as women too, it's about fitting in. So as girls Yeah, flooding in Don't rock the boat. It's, yeah.
Unknown 14:44
And that's huge as well. Like for me, one of the things that I find quite interesting and the neurodivergent piece, particularly it was talking about, sort of eating disorders and drinking as well. It's to a certain extent, these, these are these are social behaviors. Is that have rules. And for us neurodivergent humans, it can be really attractive to find a thing that has rules that we can be part of. And we feel connected to other people in and a note sounds like a strange thing to say. But eating disorders can be a bit like that. Because once you become part of the eating disorder community, and you're in it quite often, it's something that you're, you know that you know, what the rules are, especially nowadays, where everything's on social media as well. Yeah, it's similar with drinking, it's like, you know, if you're drinking, you're in a kind of gang, and we all doing the same thing. And there's set of rules, and you can sort of, you know, follow them. And, yeah. No, I
Unknown 15:47
don't think it's weird. And I think it is true, because, as kids, if, if kids feel like they're not fitting in, they look for the patterns in behavior around them that let them know how to fit in. And that's definitely a pattern, I think to be, you know, like, an even my, I'm thinking now back to my experience at university, the pattern was definitely to go out and be binge drinking on birthday night, Friday night. You know, that's how you find connections and fit in and all of that kind of stuff. Yeah. And
Unknown 16:23
it can be such a terrifying thing for people. I think one of the biggest reasons people stay drinking, when they when they in their heart, they don't want to be drinking anymore, is because they don't want to be seen as different. They don't want to lose people or not fit into their group, you know? Yep.
Unknown 16:43
I, that reminds me of when I was young, because I, like, I'm known as a bit of a non drinker in my group of friends, because I don't drink much at all. And it's funny that I feel like I really stick out because of that. But it went back to like, when I was young at uni to that I would just get incredibly anxious the next day, much like the story maybe of Victoria Vanstone, whose book we're talking about. Similar kind of experience. And I remember saying to somebody, I don't really, I don't know if I feel like I have a problem with drinking, but I just don't like how I feel afterwards. And so I'm, I don't do it. And the person laughed at me like, that was funny, because, like, why would you stop if you don't have a problem then? And it was yeah, really tricky. thing to think about, but it was definitely about fitting in. And then like, the next day, I'd worry about did I fit in? Or did I not fit in and all that kind of stuff? So
Unknown 17:48
yeah, yeah. It's interesting as well, because Leanne was talking about Victoria and Victoria is Vanstone has written a book called 1000. wasted. Yeah, absolutely. Wonderful. Yeah. And also, podcast called super awkward, which is a really brilliant, it's doing really well at the moment. I think it's really funny. And I know that a lot of people who are thinking about or like contemplating their relationship with alcohol, find it a really, really good podcast to be part of so I know Liam, Leanne, and I were talking because Leanne went up to you went up to her a book launch venue. Yeah,
Unknown 18:32
yep. Yeah, she's, oh, it was amazing. She's so me. It was a bit strange. Because I was just listening to the book in the car. She reads the audio book. And so then I walked into this restaurant full of people, and I heard her voice and I was like, wow, the deal was him. But yeah, it's a great book. And it was really enjoyable. Yeah. So we were talking, we
Unknown 19:02
were talking about giving that book away as a prize on here. Yeah,
Unknown 19:09
I think so. Because I bought one with you in mind thinking, I'll introduce you know, I'll go up to Victoria and mentioned you because you've got these things in common and she was like, Oh, yeah. She knew you so anyway, there you go. So I've got a spare copy of the book. Yeah, so maybe if people following us both and then can maybe comment below when we can draw out a random winner and send it off? It's a signed copy. Yeah, so very exciting. But yeah. I feel like we got off the track their fault. No, because I I would call it my intro. Like, you know, we were talking about spins with people with autistic people special in address what my spin is reading? So I probably could do that. Yeah, no,
Unknown 20:04
good. Well, good. Yeah, I think you were talking about anxiety that might you, that was where we were. Yeah. And
Unknown 20:11
I think just and for to me how my mind went there was thinking about those kind of layers of trauma that build up over time. So that you mentioned control earlier, about, you know, how your generation like, of the parents, your generations, parents kind of have that idea of controlling their children. And I will definitely relate to that the idea of kind of, you know, that you should be a certain way, and there's a certain way of being good. And all of those kinds of bits of control over the years kind of add up to all that trauma that then is really difficult in adulthood to, to handle. And so, you mentioned liking the youth of today, because they are kind of saying no to that stuff. And I I love that too. I see it every day when people come into the practice. Yeah. And I think that so that, for me is like, the goal of having them be okay with themselves as they're young. And then you don't have those layers of trauma to then unpack once you're an adult?
Unknown 21:24
No, it is. So it's so hard for the parents, because we've been brought up in this kind of compliance regime. And I know even like that, funnily enough, I was watching something. There's a really good person on Instagram, I've always loved her. She's about gatehouse, right. And I'm, I'm interested in gut health, and she was talking, she's quite sort of black and white in her things she recommends. And often, when you're watching something with neurotypicals, you know, you can get a little bit triggered about it, because they'll say things just without realizing. So, for example, there's always a really big push in neurotypical world for people to eat dinner together. Whereas in, you know, a neurodivergent families and neurodivergent affirming families, it's very much like, you know, let's, let's eat in a way that makes everybody feel safe. You know, in a way, that means that people can actually get to eat their dinner, you know, it doesn't actually matter where they're eating it, but there's this big neurotypical kind of, and they can be quite sort of judgmental of people get quite sort of rigid about them and get quite upset. If your family isn't perhaps doing some of these things in the way that society deems, you know, what's an acceptable way to live your life versus unacceptable ways to live your life and often, for the neuro divergence meant amongst us, what the way that we have to live out in our families in order for our families to feel like safe places for our humans, is, is a little different to those rules and regulations. And so, you go through life, and there's all these like judgments. And, you know, people have very strong opinions on how other people parents, and feel very comfortable chef.
Unknown 23:22
Yes, they do.
Unknown 23:24
And I was just it was interesting, because I saw this lady, she's like, the most important things are and then it was like families eat together. And I was thinking, You know what, that's, there's always that we think there's all these binary truths, don't me, but there's not it's not it's like, there's there's this. And for some people, that's the opposite of helpful for them. And it's like this sort of, and I think also as autistic neurodivergent people, sometimes we can be very binary as well. Things like one way or another way. Yeah, actually, the world is so much more nuanced, isn't it that Oh, that's my opinion, anyway.
Unknown 23:56
No, I totally agree. And as you're talking, I'm thinking that, for me, the most important thing is to think about why things are happening, or why you hold that standard, because understanding what's underneath helps, you know, if you're making the right decision, decision or not. And so in that example, you know, why are they recommending that the family all eat together? Maybe it's about having good relationships, but you can do that without eating today, we're
Unknown 24:27
talking about in that particular instance, we were talking about food habits. Yeah.
Unknown 24:31
Like I'm so used to be eating. Yeah. So maybe it's modeling and that kind of thing. Yeah. That in other ways, as well. So Exactly, yeah. But I know that these
Unknown 24:41
are the sort of things that and the reason I'm talking about this, Leanne, is because I thought it'd be really interesting for you to talk to, but these are the sorts of things that get a parent of neurodivergent children getting themselves all up in a pickle and I get a lot of women coming to me who are drinking because of the horrendous feeling that they Get in their soul, when their children aren't doing things the way that the world expects them to do. And what the meaning that we make in our own brains about what that means about us as a human being, which is what it's always usually about when we get triggered by it. Yeah, yeah, I'd love would you be able to talk about that a little bit? Because I think that's really common in my community to feel that,
Unknown 25:23
yeah, I would love to, I think I do understand it. And I think, to some degree, all parents feel that because like you mentioned, you know, people don't hold back with their parenting advice. But it's certainly more common for probably neurotypical parents, or sorry, neurodivergent parents or parents of neurodivergent kids, because they're the types of families that do things differently. And that's what I mean about looking at what's underneath, I think you definitely don't have to do things the way everybody else does them. Because I can tell you from working with 1000s of families over the years that all families are different. So and people come to me because they're ashamed about certain things as well, that they're not living up to standards. And I think the main things for me are to keep in mind of like, for your children, do you have a really good relationship with them, that's probably the only thing that's going to matter long term. And there's lots of research that shows that the parenting approach you take doesn't really make much of a difference in terms of how your kid's going to turn out in the end. Because the thing we forget, too, is that, you know, we sometimes have this view that by what we do, we're going to turn kids into this successful product at the end. And they're already their own person. And so your job is to just kind of guide them along the way, and each child will need something different. But really, if you've got a good relationship with them and feel like you understand their needs, and can respond to that, well, about a third of the time, they're going to be fine. Yeah,
Unknown 27:19
yeah, I think that's it's so it can get so because I can find myself even you know, and I've worked been working on this for a long time, but I can still find myself getting really frustrated by things and like, Oh, why didn't they do that? Or why didn't they you know, and then I realized it's not actually about them. A lot of the time, it's not about them. A lot of the time, it's about me, making their behavior mean about me.
Unknown 27:45
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because that's so true that what we see, like the reason we tried to pull them into line, or, you know, make them fit the mold is because of what we, yeah, the meaning we make about ourselves as mothers and as, as people and that kind of thing. And that's, I think we call that I mean, you would know this within the therapy space that interject, I think is the right word of like, that kind of we feel this rule coming in that, you know, isn't really our role that we believe, but it's something we learned as children. Yes. And yeah, exactly. The shoulds. It's difficult to kind of separate that out sometimes, especially when we're stressed. And so we think it's our own belief, and we follow that, but, and that's why I think as parents to that, well, sorry, my mind is going to places it's the curse of the psychologists. But I think one thing is to, if we stop in those moments, and try and be really mindful of what's happening, it gives us a little bit of space between, like, is that really true for me? Or is that kind of not true? It's just a story I'm telling myself. And that's what the meaning is, you know, if we make something mean something about ourselves that just a story that we're telling ourselves, that's not necessarily true. Yeah. But the other thing I was thinking is that, you know, the reason it's important a lot of the time to try and keep our focus is like what, how, what kind of people we want our children to be, which is very separate from how they dinner and how they keep their room clean and how they talk to others. The more we can actually be calm as parents because the karma we are, the better it is for them as well. So I think if we can try to let go of a lot of those Whose messages coming from other people about what we should do, then we feel a lot better as humans and parents, and then as a result, how kids are going to do a lot better as well.
Unknown 30:13
100% And we were talking earlier about, you know, how it can be neurodivergent humans, when they're young, particularly, but as adults as well, can be more vulnerable. And actually, you know, trying to make our neurodivergent people compliant, can actually put them in more danger.
Unknown 30:36
Yeah, that's right. Because if they're getting, you know, we're talking about messages that we tell ourselves as, as parents and adults, but and if we, if our kids get the message, then from what we're telling them kind of lots about compliance and fitting in, they get the message that I'm wrong, I need to do what other people say. And that's what brings that incredible vulnerability to
Unknown 31:05
start talking to women in my groups, we all say like, we didn't know how to get out of situations because it was considered to be rude. Yeah, nobody really taught us. And so we'd find ourselves in situations that were really not good. And just and feeling really awkward and embarrassed to get ourselves out of those situations, because our conditioning was such that we never wanted to offend anybody or be rude. And no one actually told us how to kind of extrapolate ourselves from difficult situations. And it's, it's problematic for us still, I think, as adults, and I think the more that we can work with our kids and kind of celebrate their ability to put in boundaries and their ability to say no to things, and to speak their truth and and know what their gut is telling them and not just suppress it and like we did it. Yeah. Yep. is actually really, you know, it's we're keeping them safe. Yeah.
Unknown 32:13
That's right. Yeah, exactly. And that's why now we would focus, I think, rather than teaching neurotypical social skills so that kids can fit in it's teaching, maybe about how to understand yourself and others, and then how to advocate for yourself as well. Yeah.
Unknown 32:34
That's so cool. Leanne, I think, whew, I wish I could talk to you forever. I wish we didn't even just because we could have gone on for it. We could go on for ages. Can we? I reckon we've got heaps to talk about,
Unknown 32:49
I think that last time as well. Yeah, I think I'd love to do a little mini series. Yeah, try
Unknown 33:01
this because you have so much wisdom. And what do you think for children? And for parents? What would you say would be the most important thing that they could do to support? It's not their little people?
Unknown 33:15
For all parents, did you say or I think,
Unknown 33:19
yeah, I would say for all parents, but I mean, most of my audience, I would say would either be neurodivergent have had some form of trauma, consider themselves highly sensitive, empathetic, intuitive, all of those kinds of things. Because generally drinkers are, yeah, that's why they're joining. So anything that you would think would be more for our community, like as such, I think
Unknown 33:46
the first thing would be that it's really important to look after yourself. And I think we we don't get, I mean, we still see self care as some kind of like, bonus. When really, the reality is, yeah, it's a necessary thing to look after yourself as a parent, because without doing that, you can't, you don't get enough space or calmness to be able to deal with your kids well. And so that might mean taking, you know, taking breaks or just self compassion and kindness as well. And then the second thing is that, I would say just forget about everybody else and what they think and just try and focus on understanding your child and having a relationship with your child. And I think that will guide you to know what the right supports are to put in place. And then you can find information about those things. So for example, if with ADHD, how you can do some stuff at home that would help, it's probably going to help you too if you have ADHD as well. Yeah, and but if it's other things, then you know, just be responsive to their needs, they're probably going to be fine. Except if you're worried you're out of skills or strategies, that's when you might be seeing a psychologist to learn some things or to just be reassured that you've got it covered. But it all kind of comes from your intuition and of what your children need and the relationship you have with them. Yeah, so
Unknown 35:36
it's trusting your gut and trusting your intuition and sort of leaning into that, because we can doubt ourselves a lot. And also, a lot of us if we're neurodivergent parents, we struggle with alexithymia, we struggle with interceptive awareness, sometimes trusting our gut, and actually knowing what our guts telling us can be quite tricky. And so I think that's part of it as well. Isn't it slight sort of getting soaked doing the work to, you know, reconnect, and see if you can increase your interceptive awareness as well, so that you can follow your gut? And have it be your own guide to I know, that's just like an aside? Now, again, no, go on.
Unknown 36:15
I just gonna say it's true. And I think that comes from that bit of looking after yourself as an adult and being aware of yourself. And that self care is the stepping point for that,
Unknown 36:28
too, as well, to keep your nervous system regulated so that you're not just always flying off the handle that you actually coming from South, as opposed to like you were saying from the shoots. Yeah. You know, yeah. Yeah.
Unknown 36:41
It's so much easier to listen to ourselves when we feel regulated and calm. And we're not just responsive to what everybody else says.
Unknown 36:49
Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, 100%. And I'm feeling that when you're saying that, because I can get I can get into those states myself, too. Yeah. Tell us about some beautiful programs for people. And then you've got what, how can people find out more about you? How can you What do you offer? What's your services? Yeah, so
Unknown 37:09
I've got obviously there's, you know, my practice in Brisbane, but online, I've got, oh, it's next month, isn't it? April next month, the mini course on supporting your ADHD teenager, because aren't teenagers. Yeah. And that comes from a personal place with me with ADHD in the family, it's tricky. So that that's the one launching first and then I'm going to adapt that and be offering that for parents of younger kids. There's not too much difference, except in the in the teenager program. I've got a section about how to help your child advocate for themselves. And so that's kind of for their support needs at school and for the workplace and beyond. And so, I think there's a link in my Well, there is on my website, which is Lian tran.com.au There's a little banner at the top where people can register for some webinars to hear a little more about it. Yeah, and but if you sign up to the newsletter, you'll hear or follow me on Instagram. You'll see when you'll you'll see when the program's launching next month.
Unknown 38:26
Okay, perfect. And I'll make sure we get the podcast out before that as well. That'd be really good. Yeah.
Unknown 38:32
Awesome. Thank you. Yeah,
Unknown 38:35
no problem. Oh, it's been such a delight. And I again, I could speak to you for so interesting. You have so much wisdom. And such. It's so needed. needed. Yeah. So I do I recommend, you know, highly recommend reaching out finding Leanne's resources. I mean, goodness, me, I have two teenagers with ADHD both opposites. So yeah. It's so interesting. It's like, how different people can be in the continuum of different neuro types. Yeah. But yeah, look, I, I, I love your work, and I love what you're doing and putting out and I thank you so much for it, because it is so valuable that we help our children so that they can, you know, flourish and thrive when they become adults. And like you say, like teaching them how to advocate for themselves. I mean, that just covers just what we were talking about, right?
Unknown 39:38
Yeah, yep. Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you so much for having me. I always feel this just genuine connection and compassion coming from you every time I talk to you or even see your photo. Thank you.
Unknown 39:55
Thanks so much, man. Take care. Have a beautiful day and everybody follow me and go See her amazing webinars and get onto that ADHD for teenagers course that sounds so good. Thank you Take care bye
Unknown 40:17
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