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Everybody. My apologies. I'm an hour late for those of you who are catching me live. I got discombobulated by the fact that it's a public holiday today and
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that it's also my day
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most my kind of heavy duty work day. So Mondays are a big day for me to do my lives with you guys, and then I have my be the lighthouse group in the evening at 730 So,
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and a lot of other deadlines, but my
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brain's just gone. Oh, so we're not doing that. But anyway, hey, welcome so good to be here with you. I hope you are well. Today we're just going to talk a little bit about a couple of things. We're going to talk about developing a loving a relationship of loving kindness with ourselves and also, and it links in attachment styles and how they can impact us and how we show up in the wild. And the link to bear with me a second.
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Okay, so first of all, let's just talk a little bit about developing loving kindness. So for those of you who have been working with me for a little while, and hi, debordie, how are you? Sorry? I don't know how to pronounce your name, but it's nice to have you here. Let's see if anyone else is on. I can see a couple of people on, but I don't know who can't see that, but I hope you're really well. So we are talking about, let's talk, first of all, about developing love and kindness. So I'm guessing, for many of you who know me, like probably the most important thing in changing a relationship with alcohol is developing a relationship of loving kindness with yourself. Because we know that, and I've said this probably the last three or four podcasts, that the reason that people stay drinking longer than they want to is because they make themselves bad.
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And so there's this sort of
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triangle of,
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you know, self is like, I want to change my relationship with alcohol. And then there's a part of us which comes in, and when we're having an experience that we don't like, we're in discomfort in some way, it comes in and tries to save us with alcohol. And then there's another part of us which is like a judgment, part of us which is which is kind of like you, you're trying to do this thing. And when it speaks to us, it tends to speak to us, whether it speaks to us in words or whether it expresses itself in our bodily experience. It tends to be quite harsh task master. And we all know, because I talk about this every week, the reason why people feel like they are they are bad and they are wrong. I mean, of course, there's a social stigma that's been created in our society around people who struggle with alcohol in any way, which is really ridiculous, because actually, I would say probably 50 to 60 and maybe even more percent of people struggle with alcohol because it's an alcohol, because it's addictive substance, right? And I don't come from a place of, I don't, you know, it doesn't bother me whether people drink or don't drink. Most of my friends drink. In fact, I think I'm the only person in my in my friends outside of the you know, like working in alcohol, who don't drink, but it doesn't bother me at all, and I've no intention of, you know, my intention isn't to stop people from drinking at all, but what it is is to help us understand why we're doing what we do, and if there's things that we do want to change, because a lot of the Time, there are things that we do want to change. And for me, changing my relationship with alcohol, and actually for me, stopping drinking was the best thing I've ever done for myself, the biggest, the biggest present I've ever given myself. Who knew right? I would never have known, because I never considered myself to be a particularly, you know, not necessarily even I knew it was causing me problems, like I knew I was getting hangovers. I knew I was waking up and beating myself up in the morning, three o'clock in the morning, I was worried about the impact that it had on my health. But that wasn't really, you know, my main motivator. My main motivator, I think, was because at the time, I wanted to lose weight, I wanted to understand what was going on in my body. I wanted to know I was feeling so bloated and so tired. But, you know, I was also just, I was feeling so bad every day in terms of, like, my emotional relationship with myself, and so that was kind of my main reason. And also I just, I wanted to be somebody I felt proud of, and I wanted to be able to show my kids another, a different narrative around alcohol than, perhaps the one that society shows and the ones that perhaps I'd be I had grown up with as well, not, not to blame anybody, or to, you know, cast aspersions anyway, because that's society, the culture that we live in. So we know that it's. The the most difficult way, if you if you're trying to stop drinking and you're still making yourself the bad guy, that is the most, that's the thing to work on first, like it's don't even worry about stopping the behavior, right? Start working on understanding what's happening and looking at yourself like you're an alien who's come down from space and is observing yourself. So this bringing awareness and knowledge, first step in the way that I work is all about awareness and knowledge. That's the first piece before a way before any kind of change or action takes place. So it's first of all. So let's look at what we're doing. And so in my on my website, and in the show notes that I do for my podcast and in my newsletters, all of my free resources are there. But I have a free resource called the awareness worksheets, and they are basically going through a number of different questions that you can ask yourself when you're drinking, so that you can mindfully drink, and actually mindfully drink so like really be aware of what you're doing. And some people you know, find that even just doing that reduces the amount of alcohol they do just bringing some awareness to it, understanding what and the motivators, what are the triggers? What are the things that make us feel really uncomfortable, because half the time we don't even realize, because we've been anesthetizing ourselves for so long, whenever we feel discomfort, we don't even realize. We think it's a habit, but, and yes, there's a habit element to it, a reward habit, which is a dopamine habit. So, you know, we get alcohol as a reward for doing something, and that's kind of chemical, biological. But the the, you know, much larger piece we say, you say, they say something like, it's only a very small percentage of people that actually physically addicted to alcohol. Most people are emotionally addicted to alcohol. I think it's something like 10% and it's something you do have to be really careful of, though, because it can also not necessarily be aligned with how much you drink as to whether or not you might have a bad reaction to stopping drinking. So it's always really worthwhile making sure you tell somebody that GPA, or, you know, your counselor, or somebody that you that you're working with if you are planning to stop because that it can have an effect. And some people need to be, you know, supervised medically while they do that, because it can be, can be serious. But as I said, it's actually a very, small percentage, most people's addiction to alcohol is is emotional more than anything else. And yeah, there's little bit, you know, the first few days, you know, you can get those sort of some physical symptoms. But generally it's more, it's more that we've built up a dependency to it in terms of an emotional need. It provides an emotional service to us, and one of the things that it gets read off for us is when we feel bad about ourselves. Yeah, so if we, all of us, have wounds, we were all born into the world as these beautiful whole creatures. And you know, within a very short period of time, we become aware that, you know, that some of the things that we do don't get the love that we would like, and particularly in our generation, our parents, generation and generations that went before in Western culture, you know, babies weren't picked up and cuddled when it was they were supposed to go to sleep and have their nap times. It was all very regimented and and, you know, this is again, this is not to cast aspersions on anybody. This is how our culture works. But so children didn't learn to soothe themselves and and because the way, what one of the main things I think in the work that I do. And you know, anyone who knows me, anyone who works for me, knows that I'm really not your top 10 tips for and let's do this so we can get fit and healthy. For me, it's about much more than that. The journey for me of life is about returning to our source nature and working out all of that stuff that over the course of our lifetime we've taken as our own. And it's kind of like shifting that and and understanding who the human that we were put on this earth to be is, and really uncovering that. And, you know, for me now, like five years in, I'm still uncovering that every day. And for the example, in the last few weeks, I've been feeling very, quite insecure, which isn't something I've felt before. And I think it's interesting, because I do think that there's a certain amount of, you know, I think I was pretty closed off. Because I think as from what I understand now, I've looked into it more. I didn't think this before, but I think probably when I was very young, I wasn't I was the opposite of that. And so I've built these sort of structures, these protective layers to keep me safe. Which would which of this? Doesn't, you know, it takes quite a it takes quite a lot to permeate. But as I've been doing this work and since I've had my diagnosis of autism and ADHD and on perimenopause, what I'm finding is, you know, for all different reasons, you know life circumstances, hormone or things, you know you. So many different reasons I am. I'm going through quite a lot of rejection sensitivities for you at the moment, which, for those of you who don't know what that is, it's it's a particular sort of like, for example, if you send a message and someone doesn't respond to you. Instead of thinking, Oh, they must be busy, you kind of go straight to the like extreme of they hate me. And again, you know, this really feeds into what we're going to talk about today's attachment starts, and we all have a certain amount of this. And for me, at the moment, I'm going through quite a prickly part of it, so there's something there for me to be learned. This is the important thing about discomfort. Like when we're in discomfort, we know there's something for us to learn. And unfortunately, because as a society, we tend to anesthetize, control, suppress our discomfort, we often don't get the opportunity to discover this stuff and work it all out. And that's the beauty for me of taking a break from stopping drinking. Cutting down drinking is giving yourself the opportunity to understand all the things that make you tick as most of us are walking around wearing these personalities that we think are ours with full of pride, and they're not ours at all. They're loads of protective mechanisms that our self has poured into place keep us safe in a world that doesn't feel safe when we were young.
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So the first thing is, you're not to blame. You're not at fault. You are responsible, so you're responsible, but you're not to blame. Because the problem with blame is it gets us all up in this sort of emotional drama, and emotional drama prevents us from looking at the facts, and the facts are the stuff that I've mentioned in the awareness worksheet. So I encourage you, if you haven't done anything else, if you're thinking of taking a break, or if you just want to reduce your alcohol consumption, to download my they're on my website under Resources, www, dot hope rising coaching com, and they're called the awareness worksheets.
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They are super, super, super good if you make sure that you do them, it's
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one of those things. It's like everything you know only works. But once you get used to the questions, they're pretty easy. They sort of start. It starts with, like, when did you first start thinking about alcohol in the day? You know, what are your triggers? What? What's your process? What do you do have it in the fridge? It's like, lots and lots of different questions. And then it gets to the actual experience of drinking. So when you pour your because a lot of you know, we know with dopamine, for example, a lot of it's about anticipation, because Dopamine is a is a wanting drug and all, and what it wants you to do is it wants you to do the thing right. So often you get your dopamine hit when you pour the wine, not it's not necessarily as much as when you when you drink it. You can get as much of the hit from the anticipation from the and then from the sort of relief of the anticipation is the reward in itself. So it's all so fascinating. So going back to developing loving kindness. So um, as I said, you know, I think the biggest reason people, people go back to drinking, people struggle with stopping drinking, people struggle with reducing their alcohol is generally because they hold a whole heap of shame, a whole heap of shame, unworthiness, and what happens when we're children, when when bad experiences happen. And this is why we build these protective mechanisms that we have. And that protective mechanism might be people pleasing, might be overworking. It might be being avoidant. So being very self sufficient, being very independent, being very competitive. You know, all these different things that we build to keep us safe. They come in to keep us safe from the wound. And the wound in us is that, you know, the part of us that feels like it's wrong and it's bad, because that's what children do. Children make themselves bad, rather than the concept as a small child who's totally dependent on adults, the concept that the people who are looking after you aren't doing a good enough job, or the concept the world is a scary place, is too much. So what we do is we make ourselves a problem. So it's very much like it's very normal and very, very human and and so what we what encourage people to do is to look at that and start to see that actually, you know that part of you that's making you feel bad, that's keeping you in the cycle, because what it does is, then you have a drink, and then, just like, You're a piece of shit, you know, you're no good, you're so weak, you're pathetic. You can't do this. Why can't you do this? What's wrong with you, everyone else, all that stuff, right? And that doesn't have to be a narrative, like those verbal words like that. It can just be the emotions, the feelings of it, like for a lot of. You know, feel a really heavy weight in our chest. Might feel real, a pain in our tummy. You know, all different things, we will feel it differently. So first of all, we do that. And one of the ways that we can develop love and kindness is to is to use some of the ancient practices. Ancient Buddhist practices are loving kindness meditation, which is like, may I be happy, may I not suffer, try to remember the words for it now. But I came across a really nice one, because often people find it really That's it. May I be happy, may I be peaceful, May May I be healthy. May I live with ease. So happy, peaceful, healthy. Live with ease. I like as well. May I be free from suffering,
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happy, healthy,
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peaceful, live with ease. Now, obviously you can make this your own and change the wording, right, but this is I'm when I'm talking about this, I've been working through with my be the lighthouse group. We've been working through Kristin Neff self compassion workbook, which is absolutely brilliant. Highly recommend. And this is chapter eight or nine. I think eight or nine, I can't remember, but developing self compassion. And one of the things that she talks about, which I thought was really lovely, because self compassion has helped me the self compassion practice. And I think the really important part of it is starting to realize that you're not just your experience. So first of all, it's like separating from your experience. But then it's also realizing that you get to have your experience, because a lot of a lot of what happens, especially with people who put themselves down a lot and who think negatively about themselves. And I don't necessarily said it don't necessarily mean that doesn't necessarily have to be negative self talk. It can be just like feel really, you know, feel shame, feel guilt, feel bad about themselves, right? And a lot, you know, our culture teaches us that that's what we have to do in order to be better. But actually, the neuroscience shows the opposite of true. If we feel bad about ourselves, we don't tend to do better. We tend to shrivel up and hide and or act out and be behave badly. So the neuroscience says that actually, kindness, you know, like a really good coach, is going to be kind to you. They will might notice. They might notice the things that you need to improve on, but it won't be said meanly. It won't be said with nastiness. It would be like, Okay, that's interesting. Let's work on that next, taking the emotional, taking the drama, which is so exhausting for us, out of the picture. So one of the things I loved about this particular chapter in the book was talking about, you know, first of all, if it's difficult for you to be kind to yourself, which many people find it to be. First of all, just think about somebody who you love, so somebody who you love. And then you can do the, the, the May i So May May you be happy, may you be peaceful, or may you be healthy, may you live with ease. And again, you can change the words to whatever you want them to be, because it's really not about the word. Really not about the words, it's about the and then bring to mind yourself with the other person behaving in a loving way to each other. So it might be your cat, it might be your dog, it might be your best friend, it might be somebody your child, it might be somebody who always makes you really happy with Granny. So you've got the person in yourself in the picture. May you and I be happy, may you and I be peaceful, may you and I be healthy, may you and I live with ease. And then lastly, you bring it just to yourself, and you bring a picture yourself in the same, same, same. One of the other things that I found really good is another practice, which is a walking practice. So, and I walk to the beach every day, and I was walking along, and look at somebody else, and you give them a little smile, and you might, you know, give them a little nod, and you get me in your brain. You're going, may you be happy, may you be better, may you live with these and similarly, and then back to yourself again. Becomes a lovely practice of self compassion. Again, like all of these things, it's like, the more you do it, it might feel uncomfortable, but the more you do it slowly starts to seep into your heart. And I think, you know, this is really a good place to talk about attachment theory here. So we know a lot of attachment theory is about the way we were parented and the different types of parenting styles. I think there's three or four different types of parenting styles. I've got them somewhere here, and they lead to different types of adult experiences. And so again, this is not about blames, just about this is just facts, right? The culture that we live is impossible for very few of us will come out with what's called a secure attachment style, mainly because in our culture, being not Molly coddling our children was how the people before us, our generation, were taught to parent. And that meant because, you know, for very, for many, many reasons, you know, many fear, usually fear. Fear of the children being hurt. You know, Different reasons, like we, you know, children seen and not heard, and there was certain idea of what good behavior was, and you didn't get the love. Didn't necessarily get the foundation and love if you were if you behaved in a non compliant manner. So it's kind of like really difficult for us not to have a in some way less than ideal attachment style. But the good thing about attachment is attachment styles can be changed. And one of the interesting things about it is we do a lot of parts work in my groups and with the people that, people that know me. So for me, we get a bit more juicy than that, sort of like top level kind of work with alcohol, because that's what interests me. And I think, you know, there's plenty and plenty of places who can give you, you know, the things you need to do when you're and I can give you that as well. If you come and do the apple experiment with me in March, you get daily videos, and we'll talk all about the science of it, and we talk about all the reasons why changing your beliefs possible and why everything that we've been taught about alcohol is untrue, and we do all of that work as well. And you know, things like, you know, what do you need to do if you're going out? What are the top what are the things that you need to think about if you are, you know, changing your relationship with your friends and socializing and social anxiety, we talk about all that stuff, but with measles, a bit more, a little bit deeper, because I'm trained counselor and psychotherapist, and that's what interests me. And, you know, I think, you know, for anyone who's had a bit of a go at stopping alcohol with a sort of, like, top layer, you know, we're really just looking at the substance, and that hasn't worked for them, there's usually, because, you know, we've got some deeper beliefs around self and society and self in society, and they're usually based on, you know, sort of cultural but also our upbringing and things that we're really deeply afraid of, you know, like being alone. So for a lot of us, the idea that we are not normal can be very, very scary. What happens to people when they're not normal? You know, they get ostracized, potentially. And all of these things are true. They're not not true. It's just whether or not we want to continue abandoning ourselves in order to fit in, or whether we're ready to start looking at who we really are, and neither is right and neither is wrong. I sound a bit judgy when I said that, so my apologies. It's not it's not meant that way at all. So let's talk about attachment. So attachment style, so we've got secure attachment, which is basically children have consistent caregivers who are responsible to them, responsive to their needs, pick them up when they cry, hold them to go to sleep, and they feel safe and supported, and the idea being contrary to what we were taught, my parents were taught, and grandparents were taught, the more that you can love, look after and and be that solid, loving place for the kids to push off from, the more secure they will feel as adults. And so they feel comfortable with intimacy. They're able to express their needs openly. They trust partners. They're good at managing their emotions, and they seek support when needed. These are unicorns. I do not know any of these people. Most of us have other so the other different types of attachment, anxious attachment, avoidant attachment, disorganized attachment, I think there's actually another type of attachment as well, but it's not as commonly talked about. I can't remember for now. So anxious attachment in childhood, you've had inconsistent caregiving, fear of abandonment, need for constant reassurance. So and how that will sharpen your adult life is you're worrying about your relationship. You have a need for validation, which I would say most of us do, fear of rejection, clingy behavior might become overly dependent on partners. So basically, looking for partner to be the parent that you needed but you didn't get. And this is a problem, right? Because our partners aren't supposed to be our caregivers. So that's what we and the big, the big, you know, if you wanted to know, what's the big, aha, is that you become the parent to yourself that you always needed. And we inherently know how to do this. We naturally able to do this. So it's really, really cool. So then we have avoidant attachment. So that childhood experience would have been that they had emotionally distant parents. They weren't very responsive to their needs. They left them to cry. They didn't seem very interested, and they prioritized independence. So I hear a lot of my clients, you know, say things like, my parents pushed me to go to the shops and I wasn't ready, and you were ashamed if you weren't able to do that. And you know, I hear it a lot, even in my friendship groups. You know, sometimes even people really show off about the independence of their children. I wouldn't put up with my for my children. My child goes off to school at seven and catches the train, changes dream time. My lot would be disaster. Yes, but again, this is what we struggle with. So when we have neurodivergent children, we have children who struggle with anxiety when they can't do this. We have all this shame around, oh, my God, what's wrong with me? Why are my children not doing this? What's wrong with them? And we bring all of this stuff to play, right? So that's why, when you do have children who are neurodivergent, one of the biggest things you know any children is just work on yourself, because not all about what society says things should be, because actually society is wrong. Nine, nine out of 10 times, I think so. What happens for for avoidant attachment in adults is they have difficulty with intimacy. They suppress their emotions. They prioritize self reliance, they avoid commitment, and they appear emotionally unavailable. And then disorganized is kind of like erratic, so
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it's inconsistent so often, you know, we often hear about parents who drink, who might be super, super stressed, and then if they have a drink, then they're so mushy, and it can be quite repellent to little children, for you to feel quite unsafe, and potentially, you know, cat this, this can be something that seems inconsistent. It's like, I never know what's going to happen. I don't know if they're going to shout or if they're going to cuddle me. I've no idea. I don't know. You know, it's that sort of never knowing, always having to highlight what's going to happen. And then for adults, of course, as you'd imagine, that it creates difficulty regulating emotions. It makes unpredictable behavior in relationships. It may experience extreme fear and anger and struggle with trust and intimacy. So things that, like I said before, things we need to remember, is that attachment styles are not fixed, and we can check we can work with ourselves. We can build this sort of loving nature, loving nurturing, becoming the parent to ourselves that we need. There's a spectrum. You know, everyone falls in different places, and some people can have a kind of mixture. It's just a bit of a guide, but it's definitely considered to be something that is bounded, in fact, in research, and something that a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists use in their work. And so, you know, it has, it does have a big impact in our relationship. So understanding your attachment style and then doing the work to and this is where we come into sort of internal family systems, part of work, but doing the work to stop making the outside world be the thing that's going to solve the problem, and start being the being the loving, nurturing parent to ourselves. And that's what it's all about, and that's what in my programs, we work on. So tonight, meet with be the lighthouse. I'm asking them to have a look at their attachment styles. We're going to come and have a chat about that and see how those are showing up, you know. So for some people, you might be showing up as tummy aches and and then we can work through sort of like, you know, the different types of parts that are involved ourself, our true self. And we're often like, merged, blended in with our other parts, these protected parts. And we've got different types of protective parts. We've got our managers who are more like, trying to control everything, and then we've got firefighters who just come in with a fire hose and like, just go, I don't want you to feel this, so I'm just going to do something really crazy and not even think about the consequences of it. But it's about building relationships with all of those parts and making everyone feel safe and not making anyone feel bad, and so that those then protected parts can step out aside, and then we can build a relationship with our with our the exiled parts, the younger parts of us that we made bad and that we've put away, and we can help to heal. And by healing, I just mean bringing back to self, bringing back to whole not doing any kind of like magical medical stuff, but just literally validating, seeing, holding, nurturing the parts of us that didn't get that and are still seeing the world through the lens of that little child, which most of us are. And so that in a nutshell, is it? So I hope for those of you who are off today that you are having a nice day, and I hope you enjoy this live. I will make it into a podcast, so you're always welcome to join that if you're ever interested, if any of you have kind of really keen to continue not being and not drinking for a longer time, like six months a year, and you're interested in being part of a community. We meet on a Mondays at moment, we might meet on Thursdays, sometimes, mainly Mondays, 730 Melbourne time, and we talk to each other in between calls. We have an app that we use, and we work on these different things, and we do books together, but basically it's for people who know that they isn't we're not sort of in that am I? Am I going to drink? How am I going to drink? Some people might still be drinking, but the intention is not to drink. I've already made up my mind that this drinking is not for us, for this for the longer period of time, whereas my, my other groups, my i. Uh, alcohol experiment, which I'm starting my live. I do three live versions a year, and I highly encourage you to do them. It's a you basically get 30 days very small group coaching. When we get into all this stuff, attachment stuff, looking at all our beliefs and we it's very individualized. So along with your sort of stuff that you get myself self paced, my, you know, my, my
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products that you can do by yourself, like the
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five day article reset and the Aussie alcohol experiment self paced, you get the same thing. So you get the days of videos, you get the journaling prompts. You get the Facebook group. If you want it, you don't need to have that. But into on top of that, you also get this daily opportunity to be in community and to do this deeper work so we can get to the real reasons why we drink and turn them around, so that we can have the relationship with alcohol we want, whatever that might be. So for people who are doing the alcohol experiment, it may just be that you want to go, you want to take a break, it may be that you want to reduce what you're drinking. It may be that you want to stop drinking for a little bit. It may be that you want to stop drinking longer term. Nothing matters. The actual program is not about that. It's about it's about awareness. Actually, that's the goal, and that's what we reward. But the intention is that you take 30 days off alcohol if you can, if you can't, it's absolutely fine as well. Can still do the work, and you get exactly great benefits, as many benefits as you do if you actually don't drink. And then it can, you know, if you do try and stop drinking and you and you're unable to then that shows you that, you know, there's still some more work to be done. I think, nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to be embarrassed about. But, you know, it's not a straight line, this stuff. It's, it's not what everyone makes out. It is. It's more complex, I think. And if you're interested in being getting into that more juicy stuff, into the, you know, the more deep I am, a qualified and trauma and thought and cyclist psychotherapist, and I love this work. It's just, it's fascinating for me. It's my special interest. So I'd love to see any of you in there. Also, there's on my website, there's all my I've got loads of great webinars, why successful winning drink, and how to change your relationship with our cost of successful women. I've got lot. I've got one on the parts work and the Gabon Mato work that I did. So I trained on the Gabon Mato for a year last year, which is amazing. So I bring his work into my work as well. And in addition to that, I also do one to one work. So if any of you are interested in working with me, one to one for a month, we can do a 30 day alcohol experiment, just you and me, and I'll support you on with the same program, with the videos and journaling points, but also with me in your pocket on whatever app that you want, be it WhatsApp, be
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it boxer,
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be it Marco Polo. So one's a video, one's audio and one's typing, so whatever your personal preference or style is. And then if you're really interested in doing a longer thing, if you want to do, you know, sort of a month or something like that, leading up to stopping drinking, I do do a 12 week Specialist Program as well. And every time you meet with me, one to one in those programs, you'll get beautiful notes and resources as well, and then you get the opportunity as well to to lean on me between calls to within the boundaries of that so I hope you again. Hoping you all have a great day. Thanks so much for listening. Thanks for being part of my community. Please, please like and leave a review on my podcast if you listen to it, but thanks so much for joining me today. I'm going to head off and go and get my lovely daughter. She had beautiful snacks to get herself ready for going back to school on Wednesday. All right, my lovelies, you take care. Lots of love. Bye, bye. You.
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